| Intro + Some Questions [message #352644] |
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Altzan
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Hi there, Renegade Forums! I'm Altzan, and Ive been observing your forums for some time now. I have registered as a member of the forums, and, unfortunately for you, I have a lot of questions. So if you could, I would appreciate any help you could give me.
First though, a bit about me. I am a big CnC fan, especially of the Tiberian Series, including Renegade of course. I make small little maps\mods for me and my brothers' enjoyment. I have made a botfighting map, a beta co op map, and am working on a crazy vehicle mod. Nothing fancy, just heightfield maps with temped presets for a specific purpose. Not worthy of these forums on other words. 
But I do want to learn how to edit and mod Renegade more effectively, so I have several questions I'd like to ask. Again, any help will be greatly appreciated.
1] What is the best method to take a campaign mission map and use it as a LAN or internet map? I have tried importing the map and deleting most of the elements (script zones, sapwners, waypaths, etc.) but when I test the map with only startup spawners on it, it is really laggy. I read somewhere on the forums about visual sectors, is that the solution? 
2] Is it possible to rig the GDI hovercraft for player use, and how? When I tried the visual camera was screwed up and I could only turn, not move. I was certain to make sure it was above ground, had appropriate transitions and that it was a VTOL vehicle (I want it to fly). Impossible or am I doing it wrong?
3] What is the best way to make Neo Bot Vehicles follow you? Mine tend to stop a lot and refuse to move. 
4] Are server side mods (IE an AOW mod) able to be integrated into .pkg files and played thatway? I have been enticed by cool features such as AOW, CTF, CO OP with everyone on team GDI, and whatnot. But I am unsure how to go about this with a .pkg mod if it is even possible.
5] Anyone know of a website\community with Renegade models to use? I found models of the component towers from Tiberian Sun and was impressed by them, I was curious to know if there were others out there.
That is all I can remember at the moment.
Thanks, and I am glad to be here with a great Renegade community!
..Altzan..
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #352902 is a reply to message #352644] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 05:23  |
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Altzan
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I found a mod that had a workable Hovercraft, but I still can't duplicate it. At least I know it's possible.
I also think the best way to make bots follow you is Hunt_The_Player, but I don't know how well that works, haven't tested.
Still curious about the single-player levels and serverside-mods things though.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #352903 is a reply to message #352644] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 05:45 |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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Hunt the player makes them follow then nearest player, and as far as I know, they won't stop until either the person dies, or they die.
As for the hovercraft, I don't entirely know how to get it to work, but chances are likely you'd need to mess with alot of the physics settings and the transition settings.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #352905 is a reply to message #352644] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 06:16 |
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Altzan
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I'm positive it's the physics. I might need to play the mod with the hovercraft, get in it, use the Edit_Vehicle command, and copy down the physics settings... that feels like stealing though
Hunt the player would probably work. I think it would be cool for a bot tank to spawn/be built, goto the nearest person, follow them, and shoot enemies. I'll try to test the effectiveness of that soon when I have time.
Hopefully the hunt script will make it follow the nearest player, not just the host or something similar.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #352967 is a reply to message #352644] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 20:21 |
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You may wish to use M00_Action rather than Neo for your vehicles, as it has way more options. Server-side mods can be incorporated into mixes and packages only if they are modified presets. Things like chat commands cannot (yet).
Single-player maps have a system called VIS. VIS hides meshes of the map you can't see from your current position according to where you are standing. Under each normally reachable area of the map, hidden polygons determine VIS sectors. Your problems is you've probably made the spawners on top of buildings, and so the whole huge map is rendered until you walk over one of the VIS sectors. On the LE toolbar there is a button to show these sectors why you are in walk around mode.
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #352997 is a reply to message #352967] |
Fri, 03 October 2008 06:28 |
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Altzan
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| Dthdealer wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 22:21 |
You may wish to use M00_Action rather than Neo for your vehicles, as it has way more options.
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Awesome, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
| Dthdealer wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 22:21 |
Server-side mods can be incorporated into mixes and packages only if they are modified presets. Things like chat commands cannot (yet).
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I figured as much, just wanted some confirmation. Thanks again.
| Dthdealer wrote on Thu, 02 October 2008 22:21 |
Single-player maps have a system called VIS. VIS hides meshes of the map you can't see from your current position according to where you are standing. Under each normally reachable area of the map, hidden polygons determine VIS sectors. Your problems is you've probably made the spawners on top of buildings, and so the whole huge map is rendered until you walk over one of the VIS sectors. On the LE toolbar there is a button to show these sectors why you are in walk around mode.
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Actually (I'm referring to M02, the snow mission) I put the spawners practically on the same spot as where you spawn in the real level. Question- are the VIS presets? I deleted a lot of mission-specific instances off of the instances menu (waypoints, spawners, objectives, etc.) and pretty much left only powerups, the terrain, tiles, and transitions. Did I possibly delete it, or is the VIS combined with the terrain?
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353345 is a reply to message #352644] |
Sun, 05 October 2008 12:52 |
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Altzan
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I want to dance for joy right now.
I used the Microsoft Recovery Console to copy the files I wanted to keep to an external Jumpdrive (I had to copy EVERY FILE BY HAND TYPING AUGGGHH) and then completely wiped the HD and reinstalled Windows. So I saved my files and got my laptop back!
Not all is good though. Before I logged on here to report, the laptop bluescreened again. So it runs but is still unstable. I'll just use it for quick and comfortable internet access from now on and do my Renegade stuffs on my PC (even though it has a history of crashing when running Renegade).
EDIT: Never mind, the laptop died again. (Buries in grave) I'll just use my PC from now on.
Samous, I will release what I have made if you so desire. It will take a day or two however, I need to set up Renegade and Leveledit and all that on my PC.
Later.
-Altzan
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353392 is a reply to message #352644] |
Sun, 05 October 2008 17:18 |
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Veyrdite
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www.ubuntu.com
The VIS sectors are polygons and are part of the map's mesh. Go to the instances tab, double click on you terrain and check the tick-boxes next to all of the sectors startng with VIS to see them.
To fix your problem either re-calculate VIS or just discard all VIS data via the VIS menu at the top of LE, at the expense of your framerate.
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353394 is a reply to message #352644] |
Sun, 05 October 2008 17:25 |
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Altzan
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LOL @ Ubuntu
My problems are hardware based, not software based. If I get Ubuntu it would probably still crash a lot.
That VIS tutorial is way too complicated for a gmax noob like me. If they're not there on the terrain in LE, I'll just abandon the idea...
Thanks.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353407 is a reply to message #353394] |
Sun, 05 October 2008 22:36 |
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| Altzan wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 10:25 |
LOL @ Ubuntu
My problems are hardware based, not software based. If I get Ubuntu it would probably still crash a lot.
That VIS tutorial is way too complicated for a gmax noob like me. If they're not there on the terrain in LE, I'll just abandon the idea...
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VIS is not complicated at all. As I said, either dump/remove all VIS data from the level at the cost of your framerate or just re-calculate vis as described half-way through the tutorial. If you just wish to fix the problem, don't bother reading the theory work and don't bother with manual VIS spots or low granularities.
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353470 is a reply to message #352644] |
Mon, 06 October 2008 12:38 |
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Altzan
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Ok, I understand. I'll take a look at the tutorial in more detail.
Also I will get what I have made up on a webpage soon but I won't be able to make progress on new ones for a while, my access to a computer is limited.
(PS I tried Ububtu and my computer still messes up. Instead of a bluecreen it just freezes.)
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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Wed, 08 October 2008 08:12 |
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Altzan
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Forget the website. I'll just post the files here so you can get a basic idea of my skills. Irrelevant really, because I have barely any time to mod Renegade anymore. I'll do my best though.
PM me any questions.
www.retrohhr.com/imabookfreak/coop.rar
(horribly basic co-op)
www.retrohhr.com/imabookfreak/inf1.rar
(infantry fighting)
www.retrohhr.com/imabookfreak/inf2.rar
(same as above but you're invincible)
www.retrohhr.com/imabookfreak/vehcombat.rar
(map with vehicles to get in, some random bots)
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #353766 is a reply to message #353239] |
Wed, 08 October 2008 17:16 |
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samous
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| Altzan wrote on Sat, 04 October 2008 17:38 |
My laptop which holds all my files just blue-screened itself to **** and back yesterday.
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BTW, thats called the "Blue Screen Of Death" to any nerd. It's ok for the ranting, and also ok if it takes a few days to upload. I can w8. Thanks for you kind replie, instead of some one pissed of for asking.
=Samous
EDIT: LOL! I just reallised what the last post b4 mine was, sry.
EDIT*2: and, wich is the map with the hover craft? (if it is there). The idea you used sounded cool, and i whanted to try.
Samous Ind. modding group website:
and Facebook Page: here
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #354573 is a reply to message #352644] |
Wed, 15 October 2008 22:28 |
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Altzan
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For future reference to those viewing this topic:
Open Leveledit
New Mod
Goto Terrain->Levels: SinglePlayer->[InsertLevelHere]->
Open all presets inside (terrain, includes, etc.)
THIS INCLUDES VIS SECTORS
Add stuff to your chosen map and enjoy
Currently using Mission 2 and adding bots and stuff, FYI
Thanks for replies, all.
(Also apology for bump and really bad instruction... perhaps someone could donate a screenshot?)
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Intro + Some Questions [message #354661 is a reply to message #352644] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 15:51 |
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Altzan
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Thank you for the screenshot, Jerad.
When you follow this method, for the most part VIS is not a problem, at least it wasn't for M02... I tried it and only had lag at the dam part.
Also thanks for the pathfind help.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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