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Sun, 20 July 2008 17:53  |
Rocko
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will there be any changes to armor?
such as making the transport as strong as an APC and make it actually useful??
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| Re: armor changing [message #342142 is a reply to message #342124] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 20:33  |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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Surprisingly, you make a good point. Transport heli sucks. Should either have better speed, or better armor. I say it should have slightly better armor, but its major advantage should be speed.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342148 is a reply to message #342124] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 21:06 |
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6 pages already about the points fix which is a real bug.
I'm sure armor and health changes would make pretty much the same arguments, only you can't really say it's a bug this time.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342149 is a reply to message #342124] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 21:20 |
Rocko
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changing only the transport cant possibly be argued against considering how completely useless it is
unless u own like me you cant do much with it
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| Re: armor changing [message #342168 is a reply to message #342124] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 23:42 |
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I find them pretty useful sometimes. But they're way overpriced. Adding more armor or lowering the price would make it more useful; however, I don't think this patch's aim is to change balance.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342171 is a reply to message #342124] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 23:55 |
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Why not though? It is (if it goes through) going to be the official Renegade patch 1.038, so it needn't be limited to bugs. They're priority, but if it makes Renegade better and is worth it, I say go for it. That's our goal with this, right? Make Renegade better? This could be the ONLY patch chance we get, so we should make sure it's ready before presented.
On this issue, I do agree that there'd likely be alot of arguing about what does/doesn't need changed. For example, I think the Mammoth Tank is overpriced for what it usually nets you, but most would probably deny it (although it SEEMS most would agree since most bash it/don't use it). True, you have to know how to use it, and most don't, but I still think it's not worth 1500. Maybe 1200 or so. I'm not saying it needs a a buff or to be made overpowered, but perhaps a slight increase to speed at least, because that's the biggest problem with that vehicle IMO. The Mammoth Tank was slow, but not like that. It self repairs too slow too.
Anyway, I was posting more so to point out that the patch should be for more than bugs, rather than to bring up the specific case of the Mammoth Tank. I do agree about the Transport Helicopter, along with what I said and probably a few others too.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342172 is a reply to message #342171] |
Sun, 20 July 2008 23:59 |
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| Chuck Norris wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 08:55 |
Why not though? It is (if it goes through) going to be the official Renegade patch 1.038, so it needn't be limited to bugs. They're priority, but if it makes Renegade better and is worth it, I say go for it. That's our goal with this, right? Make Renegade better? This could be the ONLY patch chance we get, so we should make sure it's ready before presented.
On this issue, I do agree that there'd likely be alot of arguing about what does/doesn't need changed. For example, I think the Mammoth Tank is overpriced for what it usually nets you, but most would probably deny it (although it SEEMS most would agree since most bash it/don't use it). True, you have to know how to use it, and most don't, but I still think it's not worth 1500. Maybe 1200 or so. I'm not saying it needs a a buff or to be made overpowered, but perhaps a slight increase to speed at least, because that's the biggest problem with that vehicle IMO. The Mammoth Tank was slow, but not like that.
Anyway, I was posting more so to point out that the patch should be for more than bugs, rather than to bring up the specific case of the Mammoth Tank. I do agree about the Transport Helicopter, along with what I said and probably a few others too.
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Our patch will probably ship with it's own patcher, so when we get TT pushed by EA, we can update it whenever it's needed.
That is, if everything goes according to plan.
So for that reason, I think we shouldn't (yet) make any balance changes. It would cause major disagreements here, and gameplay will already be altered to some extend by the pointfix.
(making mammys actually worth their money and not make your team loose on points)
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| Re: armor changing [message #342175 is a reply to message #342124] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 00:06 |
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Ah, if that's the case, than I understand your priority almost solely on bugs right now. I like your way for doing the patch better, but I didn't think EA would basically pass on support for the game in giving TT control, since it seemed like it'd be hard enough to let them let anything be done for it period.
P.S. Mammoth Tanks aren't not worth it only because of the points they used to give off. They simply don't get you 1500 credits worth compared to most other things do.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342228 is a reply to message #342124] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 07:49 |
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yeah making the trans heli cost like 550 would be real nice, maybe a tiny speed upgrade to.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342254 is a reply to message #342230] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 09:30 |
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I've put forth the idea of changing the transport heli's armour from light to heavy, which would give it the same durability as a stealth tank. I don't think we should include any actual balance changes though, at least not yet.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342274 is a reply to message #342124] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 10:52 |
Jamie or NuneGa
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Renegade doesn't need balance changes, each side has its advantages, nod has speed and stealth, gdi has heavy tanks.
The fact that maps are not always balanced is what makes renegade so unique.
So many other games like bf for example have the same stuff on both teams, which is why I personally got bored of it so fast, yet renegade has retained my interest due to the fact that it isn't balanced.
Strategies for GDI and NOD are so different which is what I love.
In regards to transport heli, it has some advantages over apc... on city_flying for example abilty to go over the bridge is helpful, changing its armour wouldn't really change gameplay much as anyone who is decent and gets a transport heli is probably intending to rush.
The fact it is slower than orca / apache makes sense due to it being larger and often carrying more people.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342288 is a reply to message #342124] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 11:49 |
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You're kidding, right? Renegade is one of the most balanced games I can think of. Sure, some things are useless and need fixed individually, but across the scale, it's pretty balanced.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342349 is a reply to message #342274] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 16:25 |
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| NuneGa wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 12:52 |
Renegade doesn't need balance changes, each side has its advantages, nod has speed and stealth, gdi has heavy tanks.
The fact that maps are not always balanced is what makes renegade so unique.
So many other games like bf for example have the same stuff on both teams, which is why I personally got bored of it so fast, yet renegade has retained my interest due to the fact that it isn't balanced.
Strategies for GDI and NOD are so different which is what I love.
In regards to transport heli, it has some advantages over apc... on city_flying for example abilty to go over the bridge is helpful, changing its armour wouldn't really change gameplay much as anyone who is decent and gets a transport heli is probably intending to rush.
The fact it is slower than orca / apache makes sense due to it being larger and often carrying more people.
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Balancing does not only BALANCE the factions, but also the Units, making sure that every unit has its uses.
THE TRANSPORT CHOPPER DOES NOT HAVE A USE.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342358 is a reply to message #342327] |
Mon, 21 July 2008 17:50 |
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| NuneGa wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 18:04 |
ok NOD on seige vs GDI on seige with teams of equal skill, nod wins everytime.
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Seige isn't official WW map, fail.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342390 is a reply to message #342349] |
Tue, 22 July 2008 00:17 |
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| Surth wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 18:25 |
Balancing does not only BALANCE the factions, but also the Units, making sure that every unit has its uses.
THE TRANSPORT CHOPPER DOES NOT HAVE A USE.
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It has a use, it's just not very good at it.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: armor changing [message #342485 is a reply to message #342358] |
Tue, 22 July 2008 13:59 |
Jamie or NuneGa
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| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 01:50 |
| NuneGa wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 18:04 |
ok NOD on seige vs GDI on seige with teams of equal skill, nod wins everytime.
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Seige isn't official WW map, fail.
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complex = nod map
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| Re: armor changing [message #342488 is a reply to message #342485] |
Tue, 22 July 2008 14:03 |
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| NuneGa wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 15:59 |
| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 01:50 |
| NuneGa wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 18:04 |
ok NOD on seige vs GDI on seige with teams of equal skill, nod wins everytime.
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Seige isn't official WW map, fail.
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complex = nod map
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Not rlly.
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| Re: armor changing [message #342882 is a reply to message #342124] |
Fri, 25 July 2008 16:35 |
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Well renegade has kept a strong public and even clanwars population over the years so i don't think their are any problems in the balance. If your going to change any gameplay features it should be completely equal, like spoonys suggestion of changing the tranny from light to heavy.
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