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| Firefox fan boys [message #329998] |
Sat, 10 May 2008 23:39  |
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Ryu
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Well, When a "War of the explorers" argument is sparked, It's usually opinions, hardly any real facts to make any the winner.
But yesterday I was googling some shit and I came across a website, And when the page loaded I was greeted to this:
I've never facepalmed so hard in my life, Did you facepalm to that image?
It's reasons are so invalid it's idiotic.
"Firefox blocks pop-up windows" - So does IE 7, Non get past my custom settings.
"It's more secure against viruses and spyware" - I've never got malware through IE7, never.
"It keeps Microsoft from controlling the future of the Internet" - well, It's ironic that the firefox logo is a fox wrapped around the world? plus Microsoft don't control the Internet so that's a stupid argument.
"It's better for web-designers and coders" - well if you can't understand the simple code for HTML and PHP and code for one browser, You're pretty much a noob coder that doesn't even consider other people and their choices on what explorer the use.
"features like tabbed browsing make reading webpages easier" - IE 7 and others has tabs and a zoom function making text much bigger.
So, fellow forum goers, can you understand and sympathize with my view point on how hard I face palmed?
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330001 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 00:12  |
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Two things.
1. That was made before Internet Explorer version 7 existed.
2. "well if you can't understand the simple code for HTML and PHP and code for one browser, You're pretty much a noob coder that doesn't even consider other people and their choices on what explorer the use."
The thing is, this right here is EXACTLY what the quote means. Many people code ONLY for Internet Explorer simply becuase it's the most used browser. Back before Firefox became more spread, MANY things didn't work in it. If it spreads, it forces those making pages to code for the standards and not the browser, making the browser less important, as it should be. Then, if the browser doesn't follow standards, it's the browsers fault, just like it was (and sort of still is) with Internet Explorer. Of course nobody will code something that doesn't work in Internet Explorer becuase of how widespread it is. Oh, wait...
Yes, this is a stupid thing for a page to do, but oh well, it only hurts them.
By the way, I prefer Firefox personally, but don't have a fanboy bias for it or against internet Explorer.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330018 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 03:40 |
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IE7 doesn't work for me, doesn't detect my Hi-speed connection. Firefox does, so Firefox wins.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330026 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 06:12 |
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sadukar09
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When I updated to IE7, I open up the browser, it says I'm NOT connected to the internet (The no connections page.) when I actually am connected, Firefox still can connect.
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[19:16:48] <APBBR> @ryan3k: THE ENFIELD DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS BECAUSE THE BULLETS INSTANTLY HIT THEIR TARGETS LOL
[19:16:52] <APBBR> @ryan3k: CHRONO TECHNOLOGY IN TEH BULLETS
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330029 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 07:26 |
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See, here's the thing, you're basing your facepalm off of YOUR experiences with IE7. The thing is, it's been proven that compared to IE6 (which was the intended target), Firefox is much faster, safer, and protected a fuckload better against pop-ups. Firefox did this without having to tweak settings (granted, which isn't that hard), while allowing most of what's wanted through. Most users don't know enough to begin tweaking their browser for the maximum performance. Why buy a POS car that you'll have to fix up and tune to match a sports car's performance when you can get a sports car with a sports car's performance for the same price, or just slightly higher?
Plus, IE6 fails in regards to W3C standards. Most of the issues I encounter are IE-based, and I do make it a point to validate my coding. If my sites work in Firefox, they generally work just as well in Opera and Safari. The only problem browser seems to be IE, generally 6.
Edit: Fixed the whole "fail/win" thing.
whoa.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330051 is a reply to message #330029] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 09:18 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 15:26 |
See, here's the thing, you're basing your facepalm off of YOUR experiences with IE7. The thing is, it's been proven that compared to IE6 (which was the intended target), Firefox is much faster, safer, and protected a fuckload better against pop-ups. Firefox did this without having to tweak settings (granted, which isn't that hard), while allowing most of what's wanted through. Most users don't know enough to begin tweaking their browser for the maximum performance. Why buy a POS car that you'll have to fix up and tune to match a sports car's performance when you can get a sports car with a sports car's performance for the same price, or just slightly higher?
Plus, IE6 fails in regards to W3C standards. Most of the issues I encounter are IE-based, and I do make it a point to validate my coding. If my sites work in Firefox, they generally work just as well in Opera and Safari. The only problem browser seems to be IE, generally 6.
Edit: Fixed the whole "fail/win" thing.
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Yeah, But what's the point on keeping that message there? There isn't.
I'm pointing out that, The web developer is leaving that page up even though it's out-dated and invalid, and making statements that are now lies, and even so, making them seem like morons, So I needed to rant at some stupidity because eh, it's good at relieving anger.
Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox now and then for web development and testing it's Betas, I don't use it as my main browser because IE 7 just works better on my pc plus it doesn't waste a shit load of memory (granted, Firefox V3 beta fixed this.)
| Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 17:18 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 10:28 |
Get FireFox, it is alot better.
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Some of you firefox fanboys are getting really stubborn.
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And to nitpick, BlueThen is right (assuming Iron wasn't being sarcastic) Even though I state my reasons on why I choose Blue paint over Red, There's always a bunch of morons insisting to use Red.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330053 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 09:20 |
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Well, I still think that Firefox is a little faster than IE7 in terms of the UI and browsing speed. I'm using Firefox Beta 5 though. Other than that, I don't see any major differences between the two browsers.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330054 is a reply to message #330029] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 09:21 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 09:26 |
See, here's the thing, you're basing your facepalm off of YOUR experiences with IE7. The thing is, it's been proven that compared to IE6 (which was the intended target), Firefox is much faster, safer, and protected a fuckload better against pop-ups. Firefox did this without having to tweak settings (granted, which isn't that hard), while allowing most of what's wanted through. Most users don't know enough to begin tweaking their browser for the maximum performance. Why buy a POS car that you'll have to fix up and tune to match a sports car's performance when you can get a sports car with a sports car's performance for the same price, or just slightly higher?
Plus, IE6 fails in regards to W3C standards. Most of the issues I encounter are IE-based, and I do make it a point to validate my coding. If my sites work in Firefox, they generally work just as well in Opera and Safari. The only problem browser seems to be IE, generally 6.
Edit: Fixed the whole "fail/win" thing.
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Notice how FireFox 2 was released about 2 years after IE6.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330065 is a reply to message #330054] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 10:03 |
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| Originally Blue wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 11 May 2008 09:26 |
See, here's the thing, you're basing your facepalm off of YOUR experiences with IE7. The thing is, it's been proven that compared to IE6 (which was the intended target), Firefox is much faster, safer, and protected a fuckload better against pop-ups. Firefox did this without having to tweak settings (granted, which isn't that hard), while allowing most of what's wanted through. Most users don't know enough to begin tweaking their browser for the maximum performance. Why buy a POS car that you'll have to fix up and tune to match a sports car's performance when you can get a sports car with a sports car's performance for the same price, or just slightly higher?
Plus, IE6 fails in regards to W3C standards. Most of the issues I encounter are IE-based, and I do make it a point to validate my coding. If my sites work in Firefox, they generally work just as well in Opera and Safari. The only problem browser seems to be IE, generally 6.
Edit: Fixed the whole "fail/win" thing.
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Notice how FireFox 2 was released about 2 years after IE6.
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Where does it say in that page that it meant Firefox 2?
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[19:16:52] <APBBR> @ryan3k: CHRONO TECHNOLOGY IN TEH BULLETS
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330094 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21 |
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I really don't understand how a web browser can attract fanboys...
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330096 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 11:27 |
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Dave Anderson
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i really don understand how pills can atract
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330107 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 12:34 |
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I've been using Firefox since before it was Firefox, and I've yet to have a bad experience with it. I've also been using Opera for some time now, and find it to be on par with Firefox and, though I prefer the look and feel of Firefox, Opera does load a number of pages which for quite a while wouldn't load in Firefox. Since I got my new computer a few weeks ago, I've also been using Safari and have a fairly good impression of that browser as well.
I have IE7 installed, but I never use it. I just don't trust the software after having had several rather bad experiences with IE6 back before I switched to what was at the time called Firebird- and, of course, the present issues with my parents, who steadfastly refuse to even touch an alternate browser because they think that whatever came with the system must inherently be better. Their system, unlike my past three machines which have all run a combination of Firefox and one or more other browsers, and using the very same security software (AVG, ZoneAlarm, Ad-Aware, and Spybot), seems to be rife with malware every damn time I look at it. They don't visit any less-than-reputable sites (they also don't clear their cache and history, which is how I know that), but still end up with browser hijacks, trojans, and all manner of other nasty nasties which- amazingly- my sister and I who do use alternate browsers never seem to get.
Frankly, I don't care how much better/faster/safer MS has made IE7; they had their chance and blew it, so I'll use the competition. Take your pick- Firefox, Opera, Safari; the competition has shown me nothing but superior performance.
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| Re: Firefox fan boys [message #330114 is a reply to message #329998] |
Sun, 11 May 2008 13:21 |
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Granted, I am a FF fanboy, but I'll try and be as fair and unbaised as I can...
Firstly, Firefox 2 was simply better than IE6, it did stop more popups, it had tabbed browsing for convenience, etc...
Compared to IE7, sure IE7 now has many of the features FF has and more, including tabbed browsing, better popup blocker support. But if you've actually ever used FF vs. IE7, I think you'd find it's just so much easier. IE7 goes too far with it's attempted protection. Have you noticed it blocks nearly EVERYTHING until you ok it? Any sort of popup window (even one specifically designed for the site) is blocked by that dumb bar at the top until you allow it. Whenever you try and download ANYTHING it's like "Are you sure you want to download this???" Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have clicked it. It prevents interactions with Flash animations until you click on the Flash to activate it. It's just TOO much protection, and therefore, inconvenient.
On the point of Microsoft controlling the internet...
Obviously, Microsoft does not control the internet, and never could, however, they can control what content sites have by implementing code or scripts that only work with IE. Let's just be honest, the less control Microsoft has over our lives, the better.
Finally, on a popular torrent site I occasionally visit for completely legal reasons, a few months back they had a statistic that FF finally beat out IE in percentage of visitors who used it. Therefore, FF is becoming more and more popular, and millions of people can't all be wrong about FF.
It seems to me that you've never even bothered to use FF, and for that reason it's just unfair for you to bash FF, especially over IE. I think if you took the time to get your head out of Microsoft's ass and tried Firefox for even 10 mins you'd just see that you just enjoy it more.
EDIT: I see there you use IE7. Quick question, where's the Menu bar... How would I configure my browser settings, or organize my favorites, or open a new window, or view my history. Defaulting the menu bar as hidden... Clever. Bravo Microsoft.
(Yes I'm aware that it can be displayed, but to hide it away at first is just... dumb. I don't wanna guess what all the little pictures mean, I just want clear, plain, easy to use words on a menu bar....)
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