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Re: Hud [message #329270 is a reply to message #329048]

Tue, 06 May 2008 11:29

cAmpa
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Typical BI aspect, i ignore that. (boo gozy you nanny <3)
Yep, Marathon Server and the double money advice is RR.
Fixed that already. Big Ups

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Re: Hud [message #329368 is a reply to message #329048]

Tue, 06 May 2008 23:42

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I'm not related to BI though my clan is in a "partnership" with them. You'll find KOSs2 to be even more severe towards this kind of stuff, though.

This is a similar advantage as radar hack, though a bit less extreme. It's a cheat, period.

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Re: Hud [message #329369 is a reply to message #329048]

Tue, 06 May 2008 23:58

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It's deffinately making already accessable information allot more easier to access whilst in combat. It is an advantage over other players in that respect I suppose... Especially the harvester health. I mean, you can't access that info by pressing "k". That part is deffinately a little cheeky at the very least.

I would feel allot more comfortable if it didn't display the harvester health.

But pretty nice hud, and good job on making it. It must be pretty satisfying Smile

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Re: Hud [message #329373 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 03:36

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Permabanned for trying and failing DDoS

Crap Hud, you never pwn Sir_Kane Razz

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Re: Hud [message #329376 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 03:56

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cAmpa and me don't want to pwn somebody. Btw you can access the harvester health with pressing k.

This is our new version

Additional coded features and fixed bugs in shader.dll by cAmpa
HUD Setup & Design by me

[Updated on: Sat, 11 June 2011 14:36]

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Re: Hud [message #329381 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 05:03

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I think that's the best hud I have seen for a long time.

Before you release it, please make sure it supports all the classic maps, including glacier and their flying counter-parts.

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Re: Hud [message #329382 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 05:11

cAmpa
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wow, gozy.
Well, for you its a cheat, for me a little new project what everyone can use.
Hmm, but you are right. It will be useable only for my Servers, i will add this in the next days.
So i can be sure that nobody will use it on your old, oldschool servers, where everyone gets a ban for bob C4 etc. Huh

Harvester status can you only see with RR Client i guess.

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Re: Hud [message #329397 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 06:53

mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z
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a bit to big

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Re: Hud [message #329398 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 07:10

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when u make huds is there c++ involved?

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Re: Hud [message #329405 is a reply to message #329382]

Wed, 07 May 2008 08:09

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cAmpa wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 14:11

So i can be sure that nobody will use it on your old, oldschool servers, where everyone gets a ban for bob C4 etc. Huh

Name 1. Though the bob c4 is a perfect exemple of an advantage skin, that's right.

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Re: Hud [message #329439 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 11:22

cAmpa
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Quote:

advantage skin

Skin is Skin.

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Re: Hud [message #329442 is a reply to message #329439]

Wed, 07 May 2008 11:56

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cAmpa wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 20:22

Quote:

advantage skin

Skin is Skin.

Aldi cola = coca cola? I don't think so...

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Re: Hud [message #329449 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 12:17

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Remember kids, it's "texture", not "skin".

Proud N9500 and proud N6270 user. Creator of the IEE libraries (original bhs.dll) and the RB series software.

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Re: Hud [message #329451 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 12:23

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Okay lets define skin = texture for this topic.

Everything is right when you define it as right. So it's right from now on (for this topic).

Edit: Btw a cheat is an unfair advantage. In my eyes these buildinglivebars and bright skins aren't a real unfair one.

Especially when you think about the kind of release. Everybody can use it on RenCom servers ONLY on renCom servers. It will NOT be possible to modify it, play somewhere else with it, to look up the code or the hud.ini commands of it.

[Updated on: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:27]

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Re: Hud [message #329459 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 12:52

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According to your definition, I just have to make all cheats accessable to everybody so it wont be an advantage anymore.

You really beliefe that bright skins arnt an advantage?

w w w. T h e K O S s 2. o r g

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Re: Hud [message #329461 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 13:08

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Quote:

You really beliefe that bright skins arnt an advantage?

Read my post again. I said they ARE an advantage but not a real unfair one.

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According to your definition, I just have to make all cheats accessable to everybody so it wont be an advantage anymore.

No. That would imply that this hud-feature is a "cheat" in MY opinion but it isn't as you can read above. You would be right if I say these buildingbars are a cheat.

So I'm completly against releasing cheats to everbody.

These buildingsbars aren't a cheat in my opinion - the are a feature for rencom servers.

AND I'm for releasing this FEATURE to every Rencom user. That I'm for. This would be right.

[Updated on: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:11]

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Re: Hud [message #329462 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 13:14

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This is a similar advantage as radar hack, though a bit less extreme.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Sorry couldnt help it. That was just ridiculous.

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Re: Hud [message #329470 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 13:23

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Sorry, m8. But I still don't get it.

What is the difference between a bright skin, which you call a fair advantage ("not really unfair" = fair I assume), and lets say big head?

Bright skins help you to spot things more easy..... big head helps to hit things more easy. Bright skin user have an advantage over pure players. Big head user have and advantage over pure players.

The question is not, which one is the bigger cheat. Its like compareing shop lifting with MDK.... but still: both is a crime per definition.

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Re: Hud [message #329482 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 13:41

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That's a matter of tolerance and opinion. I make the differnce between such hardcore-cheats and that slight modifications.

PLZ I'm NOT a MMORPG player or a WOW expert but for example in WoW you can code your own macros/scripts which give you similar advantages. These players also have an advantage vs other pure players but no one calls that a cheat or unfair. It is completly normal.

Of course there are also macros or scripts or whatever which are called a cheat or unfair but the point is that they decide or make a differnece which advantage is fair and which is unfair (and is called a cheat).

Why not in renegade too?

A cheat for me is something hardcore: wallhack, aimbot, speedhack, firerate which gives an unfair and very overpowered advantage.

This buildingbars don't give you such a overpowered hardcore advantage. They don't let you aim better, do more damage or something like that.

That's my opinion - hope you got now my point of view.

[Updated on: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:42]

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Re: Hud [message #329491 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 14:00

Wiener
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Yes, I do understand your point. But it seems I'm more strict on definition here. I don't care how much advantage you gain...otherwise I would tolerate radar hax, for example. Its not really a big advantage in comparison to aimbot and co. However this little advantage of knowing that some enemy is close even If you haven't spotted him yet, can make the difference. Same as the nuke you spot a sec earlier because you have a nice pink blinking color on it (I cant even count how often I couldn't disarm a nuke by 1 sec). Or colorful explosions, bright green snipers, purple sbh's, macros to buy certain units.... or knowing which buildings are damaged without the need of "k".

Each for his own is just a very tiny advantage... almost not noticeable. All together a nice cheat package Wink

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Re: Hud [message #329495 is a reply to message #329482]

Wed, 07 May 2008 14:18

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DeathLink6.0 wrote on Wed, 07 May 2008 15:41

PLZ I'm NOT a MMORPG player or a WOW expert but for example in WoW you can code your own macros/scripts which give you similar advantages. These players also have an advantage vs other pure players but no one calls that a cheat or unfair. It is completly normal.

That is true, but they don't allow you to see other players stats, same as NPCs(I play WoW.).
Also, please note I STOPPED PLAYING RENEGADE!(Why you ask?It's dieing out, and there is no stopping it without creating an entirely new game.)

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Re: Hud [message #329496 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 14:23

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Yea okay but it is such very slight advantage between pressing k for 1/2 second and just looking there at the list... Wink

Maybe I give you another point: You all know the !minelimit command which is a serverside advantage for all players. Every user on this server can use this advantage feature. But no one calls that a cheat.

Here it is the same. We release this hud-feature only for rencom servers and everybody can use it on them. You just have to download it like Resurrection which gives you the advantage for seeing the harvester health when pressing k - without RR this feature works only in LAN-Mode. So if you call every small and slight advantage a cheat - you must also RR a cheat.

So talked a lot about the buildingbars in our hud. I never talked about these skins. I personally hate these "advantage-skins" the look crap and fu** up the graphics and in my opinion they are much closer to the be-a-cheat-border than these b-bars... but the ccr-anticheat systems accept them as legal.

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Re: Hud [message #329497 is a reply to message #329048]

Wed, 07 May 2008 14:29

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Was waiting for the minelimit command argument and the bind key (end) that comes with scripts. We actually discussed that very long and carefully and agreed on allowing it to compensate the wall dodging to detonate proxy which became a common tactic.

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