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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 10:44 |
Just a quick reality check... Middle Eastern countries have been saying that they will reduce Israel to dust since 1948.
Their track record of success is just astonishing.
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RIGHT ON! You prove my earlier point:
The Israeli military will MURDER any Arab military that will threaten them. The inferiority of Arab militaries compared to Israel is why Arabs have an incredible failure rate in their attempts to fullfill their dream.
Which is why Iran so desperately wants and will do anything to get atleast one nuclear weapon. And they will get it while we stand unable to do anything. Iran already has the second most capable military after Israel in comparision to other Middle East nations.
It has conventional missiles that can strike anywhere within this zone:
And with nuclear capability to boot, Iran becomes formidable, immune, and resilient to ANY OUTSIDE THREAT.
Bottom line: If Iran goes nuclear, American influence/actions in the Middle East would then count a litte more than shit. And Israel can never sleep at night. 
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296590 is a reply to message #296584] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 11:48 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 11:18 |
Iran already has the second most capable military after Israel in comparision to other Middle East nations.
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not for long, if we've got anything to do with it. We need Saudi Arabia oil, so we sell them top-of-the-range weaponry to keep them happy despite their despicable human rights record, nearly as bad as Pakistan.
Gotta keep those medieval Saudi gangsters happy, whatever it takes... treat them as honoured guests, sell them fighter jets, agree to cease corruption investigations...
Mentioning Pakistan, gotta love a country that only exists because Hindus and Muslims couldn't stop butchering each other so the only solution was to start a whole new country. They still hate each other and they're both developing nuclear arsenals, so that'll end well.
One of these days we will realise that it's a TEENSY BIT STUPID to sell arms to every psycho on the planet with the right cash if we also want to start wars for oil and pretend it's about stopping them getting the weapons we love selling them.
I'm sorry, but the Middle East is too fucked up for the West to do much about it, and we're a big reason it's fucked up in the first place. If we weren't so dependent on oil (my fellow Brits who were around 6-7 years ago probably know where I'm going with that) it'd be prudent to simply get the fuck out of the Middle East and stay out. That includes stop supporting Israel, which is a big reason why the Arab world despises us.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #296603 is a reply to message #296590] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 13:08 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 12:48 |
not for long, if we've got anything to do with it. We need Saudi Arabia oil, so we sell them top-of-the-range weaponry to keep them happy despite their despicable human rights record, nearly as bad as Pakistan.
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That is one of the most "appealing" options on the table now since trying to stop Iran through diplomacy will fail and have failed. However, should Iran go nuclear, all that money spent to pimp up the Saudi military would be wasted.
So, the alternative is a nightmarish scenario in which other Middle East nations such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia develop nuclear weapons of their own. Egypt has already announced that they have set plans in motion regarding nuclear capability.
But I wonder if the most promient Mid-East nations having nukes will actually be a good thing? What if they all go nuclear and the concept of Mutually-Assisted-Destruction (MAD) beat some sense into their puny brains?
But terrorists getting hold of it is the most major concern.
Anyway, the Pakistanis better fix their shit soon. It is so damn dangerous to have political instability in a country that has nuclear arms. That Musharraf, if he wants to save himself, better put away his fetish for military uniforms.
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 12:48 |
That includes stop supporting Israel, which is a big reason why the Arab world despises us.
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I agree fully. But like you said, oil is a critical factor and I think Israel is merely the Western excuse to stay in the Middle East right in sight of that precious oil.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297345 is a reply to message #295751] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 21:19 |
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If I remember correctly, the one about 9/11 was under a category of predicted, but has not happened. I mean, no one would put 2 and 2 together until the actual event happened, because nobody even saw what happened on 9/11 coming anyway...
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Except the White House, and after George Bush heard it he took a month long vacation.
Then 911 happened.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297376 is a reply to message #296460] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 07:20 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 20:08 |
The only time the US even needed to use a nuke was to end WWII quickly after the Japanese randomly attacked Pearl Harbor. However, as it turns out if we had not of used it, the war would of ended anyway, because they were about to surrender... but it just goes to show you that we don't need nuclear weapons.
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About to surrender? Maybe I heard wrong, but I heard they were prepared to fight to the death with millions to defend their home.
Note: I'm NOT suggesting my thoughts about using the bomb in response to that. I'm simply stating the intentions of the Japanese in response to an American invasion.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297435 is a reply to message #295751] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 12:47 |
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America took one look at Iwo Jima, and realized that it would next-to-impossible to get Japan to surrender if they 'island hopped' using conventional warfare.
Japan's soldiers were willing to die for their country, and the emperor. That kind of mindset in a war, makes for high casualties. Hell, it was only a couple years ago, that people STILL found Japanese soldiers on Pacific islands who were patiently waiting for the American forces.
Although dropping the two bombs on Japan was not right, it was the BEST decision out of a range of other possible decisions that were much worse.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297436 is a reply to message #297435] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 13:47 |
America took one look at Iwo Jima, and realized that it would next-to-impossible to get Japan to surrender if they 'island hopped' using conventional warfare.
Japan's soldiers were willing to die for their country, and the emperor. That kind of mindset in a war, makes for high casualties. Hell, it was only a couple years ago, that people STILL found Japanese soldiers on Pacific islands who were patiently waiting for the American forces.
Although dropping the two bombs on Japan was not right, it was the BEST decision out of a range of other possible decisions that were much worse.
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The other generals said that if the US, Britan, and all the other countries attacked Japan, that over 1.5 million would die just in the invasion. That's not counting the sweep through Japan where everyone in the country was willing to die for the emporeor.
SO you are one of the generals for the ALlied army. Would you rather have over 3 million of your guys die to take over a country using conventional warfare or only about 1.2 million of them die in a nueclear blast. Pick your poison.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297440 is a reply to message #297436] |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 13:51 |
The other generals said that if the US, Britan, and all the other countries attacked Japan, that over 1.5 million would die just in the invasion. That's not counting the sweep through Japan where everyone in the country was willing to die for the emporeor.
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Yepper. Plus, that would mean the Allies would have had to traverse through Russia, who had its own interests in mind as well.
Speaking of Russia, one other reason that America nuked Japan, was so that the USSR wouldn't gain a foothold in Japan. Even in the mid-40's, America's 'Containment Policy' , a major part of the Truman Doctrine, was alive, and in full-swing.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297507 is a reply to message #297435] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 13:47 |
...Hell, it was only a couple years ago, that people STILL found Japanese soldiers on Pacific islands who were patiently waiting for the American forces.
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that's really interesting, do u have a link to a news article or something about it?
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297779 is a reply to message #295751] |
Mon, 19 November 2007 21:20 |
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Oh yeah, forgot to to include this in my first post on this topic.
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Egyptian and Saudi Arabian intentions to begin or revive their nuclear programs in the face of Iran's continued race toward nuclear power present an "apocalyptic scenario" for Israel as well as for the rest of the world.
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced a decision to restart his country's nuclear program. On Wednesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced that his country had begun operating 3,000 centrifuges for the enrichment of uranium.
Lieberman also said Pakistan was a major threat to Israel due to the political instability there and the fact that the country had "missiles, nuclear weapons and a proven capability."
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This is all Israeli propaganda to justify an unprovoked attack on Iran.
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297790 is a reply to message #297779] |
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| prasp wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 22:20 |
Oh yeah, forgot to to include this in my first post on this topic.
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Egyptian and Saudi Arabian intentions to begin or revive their nuclear programs in the face of Iran's continued race toward nuclear power present an "apocalyptic scenario" for Israel as well as for the rest of the world.
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced a decision to restart his country's nuclear program. On Wednesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced that his country had begun operating 3,000 centrifuges for the enrichment of uranium.
Lieberman also said Pakistan was a major threat to Israel due to the political instability there and the fact that the country had "missiles, nuclear weapons and a proven capability."
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This is all Israeli propaganda to justify an unprovoked attack on Iran.
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That's not propaganda... That's actually quite a bit of truth...
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Only a matter of time before the middle east nukes itself [message #297797 is a reply to message #295751] |
Mon, 19 November 2007 22:03 |
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3.the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
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