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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207676 is a reply to message #207654] |
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 01:29 |
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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as much as i tried to stay out of this topic
i bet you wouldnt do this in n00bstories server
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Someone please ban me. I want to leave.
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Make sure it's a permenant ban, in case I ever decide to come back
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: show some willpower and just leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: he can't.. he's an idiot
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: lol
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: "OMFG HES IDIOT CUS HE SED BAD WORD LOL
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: you don't like the rules.. then leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Or I could disobay them and get banned, eh?
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: !setjoin f**k the UNRULES server, f**k it's rules, f**k it's moderators, and f**k it's players
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc, your join message has been set.[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> DERK-A-DERK6986: hahaha
[20:08] <Fry> !kb mythhavoc becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Page Sent to MythHavoc -->
MythHavoc you have been kick-banned by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Also banned MythHavoc 's serial hash.
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc is being KICK-BANNED by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable [20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Player MythHavoc left the game[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Warranto will correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing even that would get you banned from n00bstories
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207686 is a reply to message #207676] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 04:23 |
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you mean if you switched "UN" with n00bstories? maybe. but that'd have more to do with the fact of insulting the server. If it just said "fuck fuck fuck fuck." I'm quite sure
1. They wouldn't ban for it.
2. Even if, I'm sure a ban won't be the first measure.
The language rule was probably more leaning towards excessive and racist language more so than saying words like fuck and shit. Point is, n00bstories won't ban for venting frustration with words like "shit", while UN will.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207695 is a reply to message #205615] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 06:15 |
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Because bad language should be kept away from little kids, says society. However, Renegade is a game that's rated T. Games that are rated T should not be played by small children. Therefore children have no place on Renegade and the child arguement is null and void.
Thank you for bringing up ratings, though. T = 13+ year olds. PG13 = 13+ year olds. PG13 MOVIES HAVE PLENTY OF CUSSING, but for some odd reason, rated T games can't? Bullshit.
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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Never once did I mention the "children argument". Good job creating an imaginary argument to prove your point though. I just mentioned that the ratings are based on what is socially acceptable.
T-rated games can have swearing, and often do. However, UN is not a T-rated game, it is a private server.
As for the differences, there are none. All deal with private individuals that make their own rules. There is no "do not swear" sign in the street corner, but there is no "feel free to swear" either. The individual group you are with must make that choice. In n00bstories, the group has decided that you will be kicked for excessive swearing. The UN, for any swearing; the Navy, only if it is done against a person; the Street Corner, only so long as someone walking by isn't offended.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207700 is a reply to message #207676] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 07:27 |
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| Enforcer wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 11:28 |
| Dover wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 01:29 |
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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as much as i tried to stay out of this topic
i bet you wouldnt do this in n00bstories server
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Someone please ban me. I want to leave.
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Make sure it's a permenant ban, in case I ever decide to come back
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: show some willpower and just leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: he can't.. he's an idiot
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: lol
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: "OMFG HES IDIOT CUS HE SED BAD WORD LOL
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: you don't like the rules.. then leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Or I could disobay them and get banned, eh?
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: !setjoin f**k the UNRULES server, f**k it's rules, f**k it's moderators, and f**k it's players
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc, your join message has been set.[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> DERK-A-DERK6986: hahaha
[20:08] <Fry> !kb mythhavoc becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Page Sent to MythHavoc -->
MythHavoc you have been kick-banned by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Also banned MythHavoc 's serial hash.
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc is being KICK-BANNED by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable [20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Player MythHavoc left the game[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Warranto will correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing even that would get you banned from n00bstories
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Lemme guess...UN member?
If yes, defend the reason why i'm banned from your server. I haven't even been in it for ermmmm...months and i go in today, and ooohhh i'm banned. What for may i ask?
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207782 is a reply to message #207700] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 17:00 |
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| Acey#GW wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 10:27 |
| Enforcer wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 11:28 |
| Dover wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 01:29 |
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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as much as i tried to stay out of this topic
i bet you wouldnt do this in n00bstories server
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Someone please ban me. I want to leave.
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Make sure it's a permenant ban, in case I ever decide to come back
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: show some willpower and just leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: he can't.. he's an idiot
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: lol
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: "OMFG HES IDIOT CUS HE SED BAD WORD LOL
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: you don't like the rules.. then leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Or I could disobay them and get banned, eh?
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: !setjoin f**k the UNRULES server, f**k it's rules, f**k it's moderators, and f**k it's players
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc, your join message has been set.[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> DERK-A-DERK6986: hahaha
[20:08] <Fry> !kb mythhavoc becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Page Sent to MythHavoc -->
MythHavoc you have been kick-banned by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Also banned MythHavoc 's serial hash.
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc is being KICK-BANNED by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable [20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Player MythHavoc left the game[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Warranto will correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing even that would get you banned from n00bstories
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Lemme guess...UN member?
If yes, defend the reason why i'm banned from your server. I haven't even been in it for ermmmm...months and i go in today, and ooohhh i'm banned. What for may i ask?
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Well the owner clears the bans every few weeks or every month...clan members hold grudges and replace them on those they really don't like as soon as they can type !kb...
Hence the first post in this thread...
Dunno who is really the "Decider"....does make ya wonder why the owner and clan leader undo each others work every month though...people praise Alk for the ban clearings and 2nd chances....never heard the same said for them being replaced ASAP...
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207795 is a reply to message #207676] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 20:14 |
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| Enforcer wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 02:28 |
| Dover wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 01:29 |
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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as much as i tried to stay out of this topic
i bet you wouldnt do this in n00bstories server
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Someone please ban me. I want to leave.
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Make sure it's a permenant ban, in case I ever decide to come back
[20:06] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: show some willpower and just leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: he can't.. he's an idiot
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> hurtmep1z: lol
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: "OMFG HES IDIOT CUS HE SED BAD WORD LOL
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> fubarred
: you don't like the rules.. then leave
[20:07] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: Or I could disobay them and get banned, eh?
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> MythHavoc: !setjoin f**k the UNRULES server, f**k it's rules, f**k it's moderators, and f**k it's players
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc, your join message has been set.[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> DERK-A-DERK6986: hahaha
[20:08] <Fry> !kb mythhavoc becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Page Sent to MythHavoc -->
MythHavoc you have been kick-banned by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Also banned MythHavoc 's serial hash.
[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Host:
MythHavoc is being KICK-BANNED by Fry@IRC for: becareful you may be what you ask for permenant bans are avalable [20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT> Player MythHavoc left the game[20:08] <NEWMAPSBOT>
Warranto will correct me if i'm wrong but i'm guessing even that would get you banned from n00bstories
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No, actually it wouldn't it has a zero-tolerance for racism, but there's no harm in the occasional "fuck", even if it's a string of four in one sentence.
By the way, Fry@IRC failed. The ban was temporary. Consider this post a request for a permenant ban.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207797 is a reply to message #207695] |
Wed, 12 July 2006 20:22 |
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| warranto wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 06:15 |
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Because bad language should be kept away from little kids, says society. However, Renegade is a game that's rated T. Games that are rated T should not be played by small children. Therefore children have no place on Renegade and the child arguement is null and void.
Thank you for bringing up ratings, though. T = 13+ year olds. PG13 = 13+ year olds. PG13 MOVIES HAVE PLENTY OF CUSSING, but for some odd reason, rated T games can't? Bullshit.
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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Never once did I mention the "children argument". Good job creating an imaginary argument to prove your point though. I just mentioned that the ratings are based on what is socially acceptable.
T-rated games can have swearing, and often do. However, UN is not a T-rated game, it is a private server.
As for the differences, there are none. All deal with private individuals that make their own rules. There is no "do not swear" sign in the street corner, but there is no "feel free to swear" either. The individual group you are with must make that choice. In n00bstories, the group has decided that you will be kicked for excessive swearing. The UN, for any swearing; the Navy, only if it is done against a person; the Street Corner, only so long as someone walking by isn't offended.
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Perhaps if Enforcer showed you the rest of his log, instead of just what supports his flimsy points, you'd understand. You, warranto, did not make the child arguement, although plenty of other people I've had this discussion with have made it, including some random mod the day I was banned from UN. That paragraph wasn't aimed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I submit that UN is NOT a private server, but a public one, since it has no password. If it were a passworded server and I barged in, it'd be a different story, and I'd have nothing to complain about.
And I don't think there needs to be a "feel free to swear" sign on a street corner. Most street corners don't have signs that say "feel free to breathe". Most public restrooms don't have signs that say "feel free to unrinate", but people do it anyway. Does that mean they should be banned from the restroom?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207835 is a reply to message #205615] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 01:57 |
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It's a private server...a person owns it. If you don't like their retarded policies, then just stay away from them. I've got banned for Renguard bypassing twice now and I'm not going to bother rejoining.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207851 is a reply to message #207797] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 05:42 |
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| Dover wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 21:22 |
Perhaps if Enforcer showed you the rest of his log, instead of just what supports his flimsy points, you'd understand. You, warranto, did not make the child arguement, although plenty of other people I've had this discussion with have made it, including some random mod the day I was banned from UN. That paragraph wasn't aimed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I submit that UN is NOT a private server, but a public one, since it has no password. If it were a passworded server and I barged in, it'd be a different story, and I'd have nothing to complain about.
And I don't think there needs to be a "feel free to swear" sign on a street corner. Most street corners don't have signs that say "feel free to breathe". Most public restrooms don't have signs that say "feel free to unrinate", but people do it anyway. Does that mean they should be banned from the restroom?
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If it wasn't aimed at me, then that's ok. I can see your point then.
Private does not mean passworded. Private means that it is run by the general public, and is free to do as it pleases.
The only problem with your latest comparison is that with the later two, you are describing functions that the place is designed to do (for argument's sake, lets assume every place is "designed" to allow you to breathe). A restroom is designed specifially for you to urinate, but no street corner is designed specifically for you to swear. If you want to design a building where people would be encouraged and free to swear as much as they want, whenever they want, go ahead. I'm sure that the government would cause you to put warning signs about it though.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207852 is a reply to message #207797] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 05:43 |
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| Dover wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 13:22 |
| warranto wrote on Wed, 12 July 2006 06:15 |
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Because bad language should be kept away from little kids, says society. However, Renegade is a game that's rated T. Games that are rated T should not be played by small children. Therefore children have no place on Renegade and the child arguement is null and void.
Thank you for bringing up ratings, though. T = 13+ year olds. PG13 = 13+ year olds. PG13 MOVIES HAVE PLENTY OF CUSSING, but for some odd reason, rated T games can't? Bullshit.
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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Never once did I mention the "children argument". Good job creating an imaginary argument to prove your point though. I just mentioned that the ratings are based on what is socially acceptable.
T-rated games can have swearing, and often do. However, UN is not a T-rated game, it is a private server.
As for the differences, there are none. All deal with private individuals that make their own rules. There is no "do not swear" sign in the street corner, but there is no "feel free to swear" either. The individual group you are with must make that choice. In n00bstories, the group has decided that you will be kicked for excessive swearing. The UN, for any swearing; the Navy, only if it is done against a person; the Street Corner, only so long as someone walking by isn't offended.
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Perhaps if Enforcer showed you the rest of his log, instead of just what supports his flimsy points, you'd understand. You, warranto, did not make the child arguement, although plenty of other people I've had this discussion with have made it, including some random mod the day I was banned from UN. That paragraph wasn't aimed at you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I submit that UN is NOT a private server, but a public one, since it has no password. If it were a passworded server and I barged in, it'd be a different story, and I'd have nothing to complain about.
And I don't think there needs to be a "feel free to swear" sign on a street corner. Most street corners don't have signs that say "feel free to breathe". Most public restrooms don't have signs that say "feel free to unrinate", but people do it anyway. Does that mean they should be banned from the restroom?
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By private, he means privately owned.
EDIT*Posted less than a minute from warranto's last post.*
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207865 is a reply to message #205615] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 08:06 |
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I can see your point about the functions, warranto, but isn't the point of the UN server to play Renegade? Since Counter-Strike's popularity, cussing has become an intergral part of multiplayer games, especially shooters like Renegade. An arguement can be made that it's part of the UN's function to facilitate playing of Renegade, which includes cussing.
Which is why it angers me so much. It's like a restroom that kicks people out for trying to urinate. What the fuck...
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #208052 is a reply to message #207865] |
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| Dover wrote on Thu, 13 July 2006 11:06 |
I can see your point about the functions, warranto, but isn't the point of the UN server to play Renegade? Since Counter-Strike's popularity, cussing has become an intergral part of multiplayer games, especially shooters like Renegade. An arguement can be made that it's part of the UN's function to facilitate playing of Renegade, which includes cussing.
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Just because one aspect of online gaming has allowed something like that doesn't mean that all online gaming should.
The point of the UN server IS to allow its visitors to play Renegade. However, swearing isn't a part of Renegade. It's just something that gamers have brought along and added to the game. Just like server mods. You're still playing Renegade with or without them.
As for the street corner and bathroom arguments... if we're talking public access, then that's ran by the government. There are rules for using public access bathrooms. You can't conduct illegal activity in it. You still have to abide by laws. Just like street corners, you abide by the governing laws. They're not privately owned. If they were, they have every right to control what you do and how you do it. If you were standing on somebody's property, they'd have every right to kick you off their property if you swore and they strictly forbid it.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #208436 is a reply to message #205615] |
Sun, 16 July 2006 15:19 |
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No it's not, DarkKnight. They claim it's because they have 8 year olds on TS with them. What they're doing on the TS of a rated T (13+) game is a good question, though.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #208550 is a reply to message #205615] |
Mon, 17 July 2006 13:12 |
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Suffice to say, they're dickos.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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