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| Dover wrote on Thu, 06 July 2006 20:54 |
Swearing not being allowed IS a bad thing, because it treats "swear" words differantly than all the other words in the English language, when really they aren't. There's nothing special about the letter arrangement in the word "Shit" that makes it any more threatening than "Hits" or "This" or "Sith". A word is a word is a word, and the only reason people react the way they do to swearing is because they're told to. Newborns and people who don't speak a word of English won't react that way, because there's nothing special or different about them at all.
Making a rule banning cussing makes no more sense to me than a rule that says | Crimson wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 18:48 |
...that no nicknames with the letter "w" can play that day
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because there's absolutely no rationality behind it, other than "I don't like it" or "We have kids here who aren't supposed to be playing anyway". Fucking morons...
As far as the younger audience excuse goes, it's absolute neglegence on behalf of the parents to allow a ten year old to play ANY kind of multiplayer game (Especially a shooter) and expect them not to pick up cussing. If you don't want your kids to have a foul mouth, don't let them play video games online, especially ones that are targeted for an audience much older than they are.
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Unfortunately, the letter arrangement of words DOES make a difference. That's simply how the English language is. We have only so many letters that can be used, so different arrangements are bound to take on different meanings, and such words will be deemed socially acceptable or not.
Certain letter arrangements take on meanings that are not socially acceptable, and are deemed "foul". Simply because it is considered "foul" language, there are barriers in place to prevent the useage of them. Be it right or not, there are some "universal" swear words that are not deemed appropriate to use. The fact that they do not appear in the normal course of human speech also plays to that fact.
Stating that people react badly because they are told to is a moot point. That's the way things are with every form of human interaction. It would be akin to saying that the only reason sexual harassment is bad, is because we are led to believe it. After all, there is nothing special to simply another way of touching someone. Whether it's shaking hands, or grabbing something else, touching is touching, correct?
The problem with your comparison between swearing and the names with "w" is that one has nothing inately wrong about it, and one is deemed universally-socially unacceptable to use.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206956 is a reply to message #205615] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 07:48 |
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I'd be more careful using the word "universally" there. I agree that there are times when "bad" language is not suitable (e.g. if one was to appear in court, one probably wouldn't want to swear at the judge). I do not think, however, that leisure time spent on the internet need necessarily be one of those times.
Further, what if I were to become angry during a game of Renegade, and I take your advice insult someone without using "bad" words? While they may not immediately go "OMF U SED FUK MY MUM SEZ TAHTS BAD WURD," my message could--and would very likely--be offensive, as that was its intent. Perhaps a more logical standpoint to take on language in servers would be to look past the words themselves and consider what is being said (admittedly, I wouldn't be much happier if servers kicked for being mean, but it'd at least make more sense). People are offended enough as it is without going out of their way to have a fit when someone says "shit" when they die. It's not really hurting anyone.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206960 is a reply to message #206956] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 08:26 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 10:48 |
People are offended enough as it is without going out of their way to have a fit when someone says "shit" when they die. It's not really hurting anyone.
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Why do we even say it, though? I mean, what does it prove? That you're not happy about dying? I'm pretty sure nobody is, so why do we feel that we should make it publically known? I mean, I do it all the time, too. I always type "fuck" when I die, but getting past the fact that we do it... WHY do we do it? It wastes more time and energy, does it not? It's still not going to stop me from doing it, but it's just an interesting question to think about.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206961 is a reply to message #206819] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 08:28 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 06 July 2006 21:57 |
I'd say constantly banning good players from IRC makes the server far worse...
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The swearing factor is very debatable but, the point is that Moderators ban from IRC with NO PROOF(and possibly because the player being banned is actually better than the moderator)
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206970 is a reply to message #206956] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 09:10 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 08:48 |
I'd be more careful using the word "universally" there. I agree that there are times when "bad" language is not suitable (e.g. if one was to appear in court, one probably wouldn't want to swear at the judge). I do not think, however, that leisure time spent on the internet need necessarily be one of those times.
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Universally fits fine. Every culture in the world has some form of socially unacceptance, the internet included, to a few words.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206973 is a reply to message #206972] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 09:41 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 12:38 |
To jball: If I swear after dying, it's probably to vent frustration. It may not be productive in a rational sense, but I don't think humans are always rational creatures.
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I do it to vent, and I often times say it aloud, too. I just must be one of those quirks in human nature.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206980 is a reply to message #205615] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 11:20 |
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I break into a rendition of Uncle Fucker when I die, but that's just me.
Ah, you shit face cock master. Listen, you donkey raping shit eater
You'd fuck your uncle. (You'd fuck your uncle)
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're a cock-sucking, ass-licking uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, yes it's true.
NOBODY fucks uncles quite like you.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're the one who fucked your uncle, uncle fucker.
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn, just fuck your uncle all day long.
Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker. (Uncle fucker.)
You're a boner-biting bastard uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, I must say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker ... Suck my ball say.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206992 is a reply to message #206980] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 12:21 |
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| mision08 wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 13:20 |
I break into a rendition of Uncle Fucker when I die, but that's just me.
Ah, you shit face cock master. Listen, you donkey raping shit eater
You'd fuck your uncle. (You'd fuck your uncle)
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're a cock-sucking, ass-licking uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, yes it's true.
NOBODY fucks uncles quite like you.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're the one who fucked your uncle, uncle fucker.
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn, just fuck your uncle all day long.
Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker. (Uncle fucker.)
You're a boner-biting bastard uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, I must say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker ... Suck my ball say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker ... Suck my balls
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lol
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #206995 is a reply to message #206961] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 13:48 |
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| Acey#GW wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 11:28 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 06 July 2006 21:57 |
I'd say constantly banning good players from IRC makes the server far worse...
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The swearing factor is very debatable but, the point is that Moderators ban from IRC with NO PROOF(and possibly because the player being banned is actually better than the moderator)
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I was told from an 8 yr old kid living in my house it happened and when I confronted the UN member, he told me flat out, even though the kid was running RG, he hacked it and was cheating...keep in mind, this 8 year old is just learning to change his name in MSN...
Same kid different day...he yelled, 'hairy buttcrack'...TWO UN members where jumping all over trying to kick the kid...they kicked the wrong person with a similar name 2 or 3 times they were in such a freenzy to kick the fouth mouthed child...
Sad part is I read the UN Forums, saw them apologizing to the wrong player they kicked because the 8yr was cussing...I called home, woke his mother up at 630 in the morning, PISSED cause he was using my WOL name, FoggyMutt when he did it (They were kicking FoggyC4 I believe)...DEMANDED she storm in that room, uninstall the game IMMEDIATELY and punish him INSTANTLY for pulling that crap on his computer, my serial and my screen name...
Talk about feeling like a fucking retard when I get the IRC script of the cussing...
[20: 28] <.GSABOT> foggymutt: HAIRY BUTTCRACK
[20:29] <.Javelinax> !qkick foggy lang
[20:29] <.GSABOT> [BR] KICK ERROR: foggy is not unique.
[20:29] <.Javelinax> !qkick foggy lang
[20:29] <.GSABOT> [BR] KICK ERROR: foggy is not unique.
[20:29] <.Niss> !qkick foggymutt lang
[20:30] <.Javelinax> !msg There is a no swearing/cursing policy on this server (G Rated)...Please abide by it. That includes sexual/racial slurs or references..
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207031 is a reply to message #206995] |
Fri, 07 July 2006 16:58 |
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| Dogg wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 15:48 |
| Acey#GW wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 11:28 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 06 July 2006 21:57 |
I'd say constantly banning good players from IRC makes the server far worse...
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The swearing factor is very debatable but, the point is that Moderators ban from IRC with NO PROOF(and possibly because the player being banned is actually better than the moderator)
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I was told from an 8 yr old kid living in my house it happened and when I confronted the UN member, he told me flat out, even though the kid was running RG, he hacked it and was cheating...keep in mind, this 8 year old is just learning to change his name in MSN...
Same kid different day...he yelled, 'hairy buttcrack'...TWO UN members where jumping all over trying to kick the kid...they kicked the wrong person with a similar name 2 or 3 times they were in such a freenzy to kick the fouth mouthed child...
Sad part is I read the UN Forums, saw them apologizing to the wrong player they kicked because the 8yr was cussing...I called home, woke his mother up at 630 in the morning, PISSED cause he was using my WOL name, FoggyMutt when he did it (They were kicking FoggyC4 I believe)...DEMANDED she storm in that room, uninstall the game IMMEDIATELY and punish him INSTANTLY for pulling that crap on his computer, my serial and my screen name...
Talk about feeling like a fucking retard when I get the IRC script of the cussing...
[20: 28] <.GSABOT> foggymutt: HAIRY BUTTCRACK
[20:29] <.Javelinax> !qkick foggy lang
[20:29] <.GSABOT> [BR] KICK ERROR: foggy is not unique.
[20:29] <.Javelinax> !qkick foggy lang
[20:29] <.GSABOT> [BR] KICK ERROR: foggy is not unique.
[20:29] <.Niss> !qkick foggymutt lang
[20:30] <.Javelinax> !msg There is a no swearing/cursing policy on this server (G Rated)...Please abide by it. That includes sexual/racial slurs or references..
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207168 is a reply to message #206992] |
Sat, 08 July 2006 20:39 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 14:21 |
| mision08 wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 13:20 |
I break into a rendition of Uncle Fucker when I die, but that's just me.
Ah, you shit face cock master. Listen, you donkey raping shit eater
You'd fuck your uncle. (You'd fuck your uncle)
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're a cock-sucking, ass-licking uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, yes it's true.
NOBODY fucks uncles quite like you.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
You're the one who fucked your uncle, uncle fucker.
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn, just fuck your uncle all day long.
Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker. Uncle fucker.
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker. (Uncle fucker.)
You're a boner-biting bastard uncle fucker.
You're an uncle fucker, I must say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker ... Suck my ball say.
Well, you fucked your uncle yesterday!
Uncle fucker, that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you!
Uncle fucker ... Suck my balls
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That's the first intelligent post you've made here. I think you are finally getting it. But then again, you messed it up somehow. Ever hear the expression "you could fuck up a wet dream"?
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207187 is a reply to message #205615] |
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The sad part is that the quoted post right there is the pinnacle of your intellectual capacities.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207578 is a reply to message #206954] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 10:47 |
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| warranto wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 07:35 |
Unfortunately, the letter arrangement of words DOES make a difference. That's simply how the English language is. We have only so many letters that can be used, so different arrangements are bound to take on different meanings, and such words will be deemed socially acceptable or not.
Certain letter arrangements take on meanings that are not socially acceptable, and are deemed "foul". Simply because it is considered "foul" language, there are barriers in place to prevent the useage of them. Be it right or not, there are some "universal" swear words that are not deemed appropriate to use. The fact that they do not appear in the normal course of human speech also plays to that fact.
Stating that people react badly because they are told to is a moot point. That's the way things are with every form of human interaction. It would be akin to saying that the only reason sexual harassment is bad, is because we are led to believe it. After all, there is nothing special to simply another way of touching someone. Whether it's shaking hands, or grabbing something else, touching is touching, correct?
The problem with your comparison between swearing and the names with "w" is that one has nothing inately wrong about it, and one is deemed universally-socially unacceptable to use.
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Universally-socially unacceptable? Is the n00bstories server exempt from society? How about JellyServ? How about ANY other mostly-full renegade server? Outside of Renegade: Almost all Counter-Strike servers don't ban for cussing. Most condone it. Outside of mutliplayer-gaming: Every high school, bar, and on the street. I recently attended a wedding and some of the friendliest people there did a bit of cussing.
It's not "universally unacceptable", it's unacceptable in UN's ivory tower.
If they didn't appear in the normal course of human speech, the UN server wouldn't have a problem, and there wouldn't be a mountain of people who are banned for cussing from their sorry excuse of a server.
Again I ask. What makes the word "Fuck" so special that it's considered "foul" or "a bad word"? It is any worse than "Procreate", "sexual-intercourse", or "baby-making"?
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207598 is a reply to message #207578] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 14:28 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 11 July 2006 11:47 |
| warranto wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 07:35 |
Unfortunately, the letter arrangement of words DOES make a difference. That's simply how the English language is. We have only so many letters that can be used, so different arrangements are bound to take on different meanings, and such words will be deemed socially acceptable or not.
Certain letter arrangements take on meanings that are not socially acceptable, and are deemed "foul". Simply because it is considered "foul" language, there are barriers in place to prevent the useage of them. Be it right or not, there are some "universal" swear words that are not deemed appropriate to use. The fact that they do not appear in the normal course of human speech also plays to that fact.
Stating that people react badly because they are told to is a moot point. That's the way things are with every form of human interaction. It would be akin to saying that the only reason sexual harassment is bad, is because we are led to believe it. After all, there is nothing special to simply another way of touching someone. Whether it's shaking hands, or grabbing something else, touching is touching, correct?
The problem with your comparison between swearing and the names with "w" is that one has nothing inately wrong about it, and one is deemed universally-socially unacceptable to use.
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Universally-socially unacceptable? Is the n00bstories server exempt from society? How about JellyServ? How about ANY other mostly-full renegade server? Outside of Renegade: Almost all Counter-Strike servers don't ban for cussing. Most condone it. Outside of mutliplayer-gaming: Every high school, bar, and on the street. I recently attended a wedding and some of the friendliest people there did a bit of cussing.
It's not "universally unacceptable", it's unacceptable in UN's ivory tower.
If they didn't appear in the normal course of human speech, the UN server wouldn't have a problem, and there wouldn't be a mountain of people who are banned for cussing from their sorry excuse of a server.
Again I ask. What makes the word "Fuck" so special that it's considered "foul" or "a bad word"? It is any worse than "Procreate", "sexual-intercourse", or "baby-making"?
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Why do you think that the worse the language, the higher the rating on movies?
I think you are confusing social with private. Social is something that blankets the general ideals of the society. Private deals with individuals. Had I meant places such as n00bstories, the street corner or a naval ship (bad joke), I would have said privately unacceptable. However, because I said socially, I mean socially. Heck even n00bstories will ban for foul language, if it is excessive.
Interesting how you bring up friendly people with swearing, considering the two have nothing to do with one another.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207653 is a reply to message #207588] |
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| SpyGuy246 wrote on Tue, 11 July 2006 12:55 |
Probably the fact that it's used as an insult and in derogatory context. No one says, "Sex you!" or "Procreate this shit."
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I guarentee you if I said any of that in the UN server, I'd get banned, and they're probably ban everyone else who's name contains "Myth" or "Havoc" on accident for good measure, and then apologize for it on their forums.
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| Re: LOL...UN [message #207654 is a reply to message #207598] |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 11 July 2006 14:28 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 11 July 2006 11:47 |
| warranto wrote on Fri, 07 July 2006 07:35 |
Unfortunately, the letter arrangement of words DOES make a difference. That's simply how the English language is. We have only so many letters that can be used, so different arrangements are bound to take on different meanings, and such words will be deemed socially acceptable or not.
Certain letter arrangements take on meanings that are not socially acceptable, and are deemed "foul". Simply because it is considered "foul" language, there are barriers in place to prevent the useage of them. Be it right or not, there are some "universal" swear words that are not deemed appropriate to use. The fact that they do not appear in the normal course of human speech also plays to that fact.
Stating that people react badly because they are told to is a moot point. That's the way things are with every form of human interaction. It would be akin to saying that the only reason sexual harassment is bad, is because we are led to believe it. After all, there is nothing special to simply another way of touching someone. Whether it's shaking hands, or grabbing something else, touching is touching, correct?
The problem with your comparison between swearing and the names with "w" is that one has nothing inately wrong about it, and one is deemed universally-socially unacceptable to use.
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Universally-socially unacceptable? Is the n00bstories server exempt from society? How about JellyServ? How about ANY other mostly-full renegade server? Outside of Renegade: Almost all Counter-Strike servers don't ban for cussing. Most condone it. Outside of mutliplayer-gaming: Every high school, bar, and on the street. I recently attended a wedding and some of the friendliest people there did a bit of cussing.
It's not "universally unacceptable", it's unacceptable in UN's ivory tower.
If they didn't appear in the normal course of human speech, the UN server wouldn't have a problem, and there wouldn't be a mountain of people who are banned for cussing from their sorry excuse of a server.
Again I ask. What makes the word "Fuck" so special that it's considered "foul" or "a bad word"? It is any worse than "Procreate", "sexual-intercourse", or "baby-making"?
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Why do you think that the worse the language, the higher the rating on movies?
I think you are confusing social with private. Social is something that blankets the general ideals of the society. Private deals with individuals. Had I meant places such as n00bstories, the street corner or a naval ship (bad joke), I would have said privately unacceptable. However, because I said socially, I mean socially. Heck even n00bstories will ban for foul language, if it is excessive.
Interesting how you bring up friendly people with swearing, considering the two have nothing to do with one another.
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Because bad language should be kept away from little kids, says society. However, Renegade is a game that's rated T. Games that are rated T should not be played by small children. Therefore children have no place on Renegade and the child arguement is null and void.
Thank you for bringing up ratings, though. T = 13+ year olds. PG13 = 13+ year olds. PG13 MOVIES HAVE PLENTY OF CUSSING, but for some odd reason, rated T games can't? Bullshit.
Tell me, warranto, what's the difference between n00bstories and UN, or a street corner and UN, or a navy ship and UN? Why is it okay to cuss in one and not the other? They're all open to the public.
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