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| Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192863] |
Tue, 14 March 2006 20:18  |
$c0p3
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This about getting kicked for saying bad words in game. I'd just like to know the community's real opinion behind kicking people for swearing in a violent video game.
In my opinion, one shouldn't be kicked for swearing in a violent video game.
Renegade is a violent video game, as you constantly kill & destroy people and buildings or vehicles, and well, according to the law killing is a much greater offence than swearing. If I was to get mad while playing Renegade, it'd be because somebody killed me, not because someone swore at me. I just don't understand how server owners promote violence (I say this because if they didn't promote violence they wouldn't have servers up to give people access to virtual killings), and are entirely against swearing. If you can virtually kill someone, why can't you virtually swear at someone? And not only that, most Internet games are rated T for Teen, right? If you were to have a certain rule in your server (like if you swear you get kicked) because there's a chance that a little kid is playing the game, well, that isn't your responsibility. An 8 year old technically isn't even allowed to play the game so it's safe to assume that everybody in your server is okay with swearing. Anyways, let's face it, swearing is part of every teen's vocabulary, and this community is made up of teens for the most part.
So, what do you guys think? Should you be able to virtually kill and virtually swear, or virtually kill and not virtually swear?
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192869 is a reply to message #192863] |
Tue, 14 March 2006 20:39  |
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It's up to the server operator. If they don't want you doing something, you have no right to complain- you don't have to play in their server if you don't care for the rules.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192875 is a reply to message #192863] |
Tue, 14 March 2006 21:35 |
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I am a server owner and I fully allow swearing on my server. The only line I draw is when someone is being brutally abusive towards someone and most racial slurs are not appropriate either. It seems to me that most servers that kick you for swearing are either run by people with kids or the server owners are control freaks who have no real reason for it, they just like kicking people. There are probably exceptions to this.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192880 is a reply to message #192863] |
Tue, 14 March 2006 21:51 |
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Swearing is allowed to a point on our servers, as long as it doesnt get abusive or excessive. We do try to keep it to a minimum due to the fact that younger kids do play this game, but for the most part I think server owners allow it as long as it doesnt get out of hand.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192887 is a reply to message #192863] |
Tue, 14 March 2006 23:33 |
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I think UNRULES are a PERFECT example of no swear tightasses in this community, they have dumbass rules(like no swearing), moderators that can get away with just about anything, and their servers lag like fuck, so to me, they are the worst part of the ren community
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192889 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 00:41 |
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It was pretty hard to do but we successfully instored the no swearing and English only rule and guess what: there is no more swearing by anyone that has been in the server before. And you can't imagine what a delight it is to play in such an envirronment. We also have a swearbot which first warns, then qkicks and even goes over to a kick when you swear multiple times. It helps giving the moderators spending less time on moderating. I should also note that we have almost 24/7 mods in-game or in irc. It's important to first warn people so they actually know they cannot swear. It's also in the !rules and even in the MOTD.
There is in no way promoting violence in Renegade. You don't murder people, you make frags. It is so little realistic that you can hardly even compare it to real life violence.
People, and especially teenagers, need to know that the Internet or an online game envirronment is not an anarchic place where you can do about everything that your parents wouldn't allow you to do. That includes swearing, insulting, being a dickhead, ...
I also notice that I avoid playing in servers where swearing is allowed because it annoys me a lot now that i'm used playing without it.
We also notice that we seem to attract a more mature public with often elder players who come to our server because of this rule. These players generally also care more about being friendly and about teamwork so a nice side effect is that we actually get better games.
So I all encourage you guys to NOT instore the no swearing rule. That way, we keep this in our eyes advantage over other servers.
The fact that players still think that they can complain about rules makes me laugh a bit. They have no clue what we pay to get this servers for them to play in. And there are enough servers out there.
As to Crimson's remark: the fact you have kids does indeed influence the decision. The control freak-idea you outed seems stupid: it would mean that you need to be 24/7 in the game.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192900 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 04:43 |
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The way I look at it is I'm not your mommy. If mommy doesn't want you to read swearing then she can handle that. I'm not going to nor should I have to.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192903 is a reply to message #192892] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 05:51 |
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| HerrKealf wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 03:31 |
We only kick for swearing when it really gets out of hand.
We don't like it, but we allow it.
Though when it starts to effect the game, messures should be taken.
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On Jelly people can swear all they like, if they continually direct abuse at players and it gets excessive, then they will probably get a boot, or at least a warning. Any racist comments/abuse will get you banned instantly.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192904 is a reply to message #192883] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 05:54 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:06 |
I've always been of the opinion that if you kick people from a server for swearing, you are a dink.
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192906 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 06:17 |
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If you're offended by "swear words", you should really ask yourself why that is. In particular why you would discriminate against particular words that do usually have a valid meaning other than to simply offend people. "Shit" is the same as "excrement", for example. It's ridiculous when you think about it, that for the sake of example, a person could go onto a server and state "I stood in some shit this morning" and be immediately kicked by one of the more eager admins, yet a similar statement using a word not deemed a "swear" would suffer no penalty. Also, practically all swear words can be used to express frustration, which is a healthy thing to do... you get it out and you move on. The thing is, a swear word used in that context would essentially mean the same as let's say "fiddlesticks". So if you kick someone from a server for typing "fuck" in frustration, but not "fiddlesticks", you're arbitrarily deciding that one word is wrong, even though they have the same meaning. It's stupid when you think about it.
Personally, I'm all for people being punished for abusing other users on the internet, but every single word there is can be used with the intention of offending others. By the same token, all words can be used without that intention. The only rule that's necessary is one to punish people who deliberately try to insult other people... and I think that's generally obvious by the context. If some people insist on being offended by a particular word itself, regardless of how it was used, the they are the one with a problem. These people are blindly following a code of conduct that outlaws certain words for reasons that they don't understand... they just follow. It's pretty much the same as religion actually, so any server that outlaws swear words might as well go ahead and enforce the religious beliefs of their choice on everyone that plays there.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192910 is a reply to message #192873] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 07:22 |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 |
Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other.
I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think.
And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word".
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you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are
and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192915 is a reply to message #192910] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 08:12 |
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| $c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 14:22 |
| warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 |
Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other.
I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think.
And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word".
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you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are
and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/
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Warranto>dog shit>you.
PS. I'm with mrpirate on this.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192956 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 16:30 |
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| $c0p3 wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 21:18 |
In my opinion, one shouldn't be kicked for swearing in a violent video game.
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You aren't in a war zone with your best friends dying around you every day. Not swearing is simply respect. Kids play this game every day. Its not an extremely gory game by any measure compared to whats out now.
You shouldn't have to swear to express yourself while playing a game. Thats just disrespectful.
Ultimately its the server owners decision. If they don't want you swearing on there server then don't. You are using their servers for free. Atleast you can respect their requests and fellow gamers.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192959 is a reply to message #192956] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 16:56 |
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$c0p3 you come here asking peoples opinions then your mad cuz they give them?
Thats kind of stupid, if you dont want peoples opinions then dont talk on the forums.
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you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are
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Im 24, I know what the sun looks like, I have a full time job and a family. So you talk trash about a person becuase they play video games, doesnt say much for yourself does it?
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #192971 is a reply to message #192915] |
Wed, 15 March 2006 19:14 |
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| DJM wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 10:12 |
| $c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 14:22 |
| warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 |
Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other.
I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think.
And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word".
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you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are
and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/
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Warranto>dog shit>you.
PS. I'm with mrpirate on this.
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oh then you're with me as well, as my arguements were originally brought up by mrp quite a long time ago.
and w/e jschultz9. i'm going to go off-topic here for a sec.. has you/your server ever played a clan named LoD?
Anyways ACK, I've only heard negative things about you, but your comment was teh <3
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