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| Terminator 101 wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 17:09 |
Question: There are nude skins for Renegade, so should Renegade be rated M too? (I wonder who knows the answer)
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Shit man I didn't know these texture maps were in Always.dat
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #174044 is a reply to message #164966] |
Sat, 08 October 2005 12:57 |
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some servers on Call of Duty ban you for the happy hump (also known as 'teabagging'). it's funny to see it done, especially to your own body, but funnier still when you see someone banned for it.
speaking of the hot coffee mod. Rockstar probably removed that from their final release for reasons just like the ones cropping up now. Though, you would think that they would completely remove it from the game, not just find a way to disable it.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #174074 is a reply to message #164966] |
Sat, 08 October 2005 15:54 |
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When something is cut close to release, it is very rarely fully removed. It is too bad, though, because this very likely put the hurt on a lot of mods that are otherwise unrelated.
Either way, I'm not about to go buy a new copy of the game just to be politically correct about it. I highly doubt anyone else will do that either, just because...well, if dry-humping is something that causes you mental trauma, you shouldn't be playing GTA in the first place. This is another one of those so-called "scandals" that starts out as some obscure money-grubbing moron looking for an easy settlement, which then escalates and makes the national news. Sadly enough, that kind of shit is becoming more and more common as people become more and more easily offended by the dumbest little things.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175140 is a reply to message #164966] |
Mon, 17 October 2005 17:42 |
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Here is the problem, you don't need sex and extreme violence to make a good game, most good games arnt like those.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175178 is a reply to message #164966] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 00:16 |
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On that note, you don't need the internet to have a great life, if we're going to pull the "you can live without it" card. But wait...you're choosing to use it, aren't you? Wouldn't you be a bit pissed if someone decided one day that the internet as a whole was inappropriate, and unsuited for your use? Yes, you would be- because someone would be second-guessing you and deciding that they know better than you do about what is and is not appropriate for you. The simple fact is that while you don't have a right to such content, you DO have a right to NOT be told what you can and can't watch or play. That goes under the First Amendment- the right to free speech goes hand in hand with a right to hear that speech. Argument invalidated.
The AO rating is completely undeserved. Even with the so-called "sex scenes"- rather, dry-humping- the content is no worse in GTA:SA than what would be found in your average R-rated movie (and the R-rating of the MPAA is comparable in nearly every way to the M-rating of the ESRB). Hell, in some ways, it's a lot more mild- you never see nudity in out-of-the-box GTA (granted, there are some fairly tiny outfits, but not nudity). Not even with the "hot coffee" mod installed. Most theaters don't bother 15 and 16 year olds about getting into R movies, and I've yet to see any stores other than Walmart (I got carded the other day buying Bourne Supremacy- and I'm 19. I very nearly asked for the manager over the suspicious look the cashier gave me after looking at my ID) and OCCASIONALLY BestBuy bother teens about R-rated purchases.
The bottom line is that some suit doesn't have the right to tell people what is and isn't appropriate. That's the parents' job. The rating change caused stores to pull SA from shelves, which impedes the right of the consumer to purchase the game if they choose to do so. It is, in effect, censoring the title from the wider market, not just from the fairly small percent of consumers who will purchase the game before their 18th birthday. It is an obvious political stomp-out move, not designed so much to "protect" anybody as to try to grab a few more votes from the government-daycare crowd in the next election.
What we REALLY need is to find a way to get average-aged gamers out and voting. I'd bet ANY amount of money that if that were to happen, you would never hear any high-profiles bitching about games again.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175318 is a reply to message #164966] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 18:31 |
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Just like I have a right at age 15 to buy porn, smoke, drink ect?
These laws are there to protect us. How would you like it if your 11 year old son was watching porn after you came home from a long day at work? The fact is we dont need Sex and nudity to make a good game, and there IS nudity in GTA, i have seen porn pictures on it when i was at a party.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175339 is a reply to message #164966] |
Tue, 18 October 2005 21:59 |
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The fact is we dont need Sex and nudity to make a good game, and there IS nudity in GTA, i have seen porn pictures on it when i was at a party.
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I have the whole series. I play the whole series regularly. Nowhere in any of the 5 games (soon to be 6) and one expansion is there nudity. No bare tits, no bare genitalia. Nude textures for the game's models DO NOT SHIP WITH THE GAME, NOR ARE THEY OFFERED BY ROCKSTAR AS OFFICIAL CONTENT. THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE NUDITY IN GTA IS TO DOWNLOAD CUSTOM, UNOFFICIAL TEXTURES MADE BY A THIRD PARTY. Even with the "Hot Coffee" content unlocked, there is no nudity- all you get is FULLY CLOTHED models dry-humping each other. The game you allegedly saw at the party you allegedly went to was MODIFIED. As in NOT STOCK. How many times must this be said for it to be hammered into your skull?
Don't believe me? Go and buy the damn game and play through it for yourself. I defy you to find so much as one frame of nudity in the entire game.
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The fact is we dont need Sex and nudity to make a good game
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Give that argument up. It doesn't hold water. By your logic, people should only be allowed to have what they absolutely need to survive. That is a fundamentally flawed line of reasoning- if everyone in the gaming community thought that way, we'd still be playing Pong- after all, that was entertaining and it had barely any content at all!
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Just like I have a right at age 15 to buy porn, smoke, drink ect?
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Flawed argument: we're talking about a bloody videogame here, not addictive, intoxicating substances. Not the same subject, and you ought to know that if you're old enough to be posting on a message board. Videogames don't give people cancer, they don't destroy your liver, and they certainly won't land you in jail (or dead) for DUI or public drunkenness. You are comparing Apples to Steak- not only are they not the same species, they aren't even in the same kingdom.
But while we're on porn, I've never known a single 15 year old who DIDN'T have a porno mag or two stashed under their mattress. I had a whole damn stack of 'em. There is exactly zero proof that porn has a negative effect on the mental development of teenagers. Nada. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. ZERO. You show me a person who, at age 15, DOESN'T know what penises and vaginas are for (and what they look like, and several dirty nicknames for each), and I'll show you a matching pair of oppressive, overprotective parents. If people in this country had any sense at all, thorough sex ed courses would be taught around the time puberty begins- INFORMATION arms people against corruption, NOT ISOLATION AND IGNORANCE.
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These laws are there to protect us.
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Someone's not up on their Bradbury. More government control over citizens' PRIVATE LIVES (which includes how children in a family are raised, what they are exposed to, and so on) is a BAD THING.
Nobody is suggesting that stores start selling M-rated games to 9 year olds- but if you aren't mature enough to deal with the content in such a game by the time you hit your mid-teens, YOU NEVER WILL BE. Teenagers do NOT tend to be as impressionable as younger children; a game like GTA is NOT enough to push them over the proverbial edge and into a life of evil. If that's the case, there are FAR bigger issues that need to be examined in that child's life.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175397 is a reply to message #175339] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 16:16 |
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the nudity was on the PS version, there is a picture on the wall of a women sitting with a cock in her. THAT is porn.
Im 15 and i dont own a porn mag.(im not some sheltered freak)im just a person who doesnt disobey the law.
Im saying why do people want to put sex and gore in games? i can understand some gore but ffs its getting outta hand. Sex...look people that is not something that needs to be on every damn billbord, tv show, game, ect..
The governemnt IS the people. If they want to say hay your kid cant buy porn untill he is 18 or what ever then that is the will of the people.
porn prevents ignorance? Wow, now thats messed up.
Stores already do sell rated M stuff to kids. I know people who are 10 and play GTA, they shouldnt even know what half that stuff is yet.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175435 is a reply to message #164966] |
Wed, 19 October 2005 21:10 |
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the nudity was on the PS version, there is a picture on the wall of a women sitting with a cock in her. THAT is porn.
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I know the image you refer to. It appears in GTA: Vice City, NOT San Andreas, and just a minor point: you see a bare ass. That's all that is visible. Bare asses don't even merit PG-13 ratings. Bare asses are generally accepted as approprate (if not often discussed or mentioned) content for network television. Hardcore porn, by definition, has to show an erect male penis. For anything to qualify as porn AT ALL, it must show full frontal nudity of either a male or female body(don't ask me why, I don't make the rules). The image in question shows neither, and therefore is not porn. Remember: implied sex does not count AS sex. This is also why the rocking cars and "hot coffee" content do not count as pornographic; they do not show the sexual organs.
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Im 15 and i dont own a porn mag.(im not some sheltered freak)im just a person who doesnt disobey the law.
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I applaud you on your restraint. Truly, I do.
That doesn't, however, negate the fact that porn is not something alien or unknown to the teenage population in general. Porn has yet to have a negative effect on its millions of viewers/readers. Around that age is when people generally begin to explore their individual sexuality anyway; images of people screwing aren't going to have any effect except, perhaps, to make a person sexually aroused. Which, if science is to be trusted, is a healthy thing. Of course, it isn't appropriate for younger teens to be screwing each other like bunny rabbits, but a little porn never hurt anyone.
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Im saying why do people want to put sex and gore in games? i can understand some gore but ffs its getting outta hand. Sex...look people that is not something that needs to be on every damn billbord, tv show, game, ect..
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Gore is an obvious one- gore is good stress relief. The more violent you can be in a virtual world, the less violent you'll be in real life. The effect is similar to that of a punching bag (i.e. something you can take your anger out on without hurting anybody), but without the bloody knuckles.
Sex...well, as far as the "sex" in GTA goes, like everything else in that series, it is a satire. Nothing about GTA is meant to be serious; everything is a stereotype blown waaaaaaay out of proportion. Like everything else, sex is exaggerated and blown so far out of proportion as to be utterly hilarious when compared to the real world (and yet the game shies away from showing ACTUAL, VISIBLE sex- part of the reason "hot coffee" was excluded from the final release, even though it shows no nudity). Strippers and prostitutes have implants the size of melons, an excess of makeup, etc. Pimps in gaudy purple suits cruise around in classic cars turned into lowriders. The list goes on.
The subtleties of GTA's shameless parodies and satires are lost on people who would use the game to further a political agenda. Think of it as a political cartoon in the newspaper, writ large and interactive. Nothing, and I mean nothing, in that series is meant to be taken at face value.
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The governemnt IS the people. If they want to say hay your kid cant buy porn untill he is 18 or what ever then that is the will of the people.
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So we should just bend over and take whatever the government does stright up the ass and say "thank you, sir, may I have another?" That statement COMPLETELY disagrees with everything this country is based on. The government, in case you haven't noticed yet, REPRESENTS the people- but the people have NO SAY in the day-to-day goings on in the government. What the government DOES and what the people WANT it to do are two very different things. I'm guessing you don't follow politics all that closely if you haven't figured that one out yet- that statement has the ring of middle school social studies classes. It would be nice if the government always did what the people wanted- but reality isn't so fantastic.
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porn prevents ignorance? Wow, now thats messed up.
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Someone didn't read very carefully. Here, let me direct quote so you don't miss the important bits this time:
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If people in this country had any sense at all, thorough sex ed courses would be taught around the time puberty begins- INFORMATION arms people against corruption, NOT ISOLATION AND IGNORANCE.
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Sex education courses, not porn, for those of us who can read. SEX ED prevents IGNORANCE by arming people with KNOWLEDGE. I thought that part was fairly clear.
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Stores already do sell rated M stuff to kids. I know people who are 10 and play GTA
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Wrong. Stores sell M-rated games to adults, who then give it to their kids. If that adult happens to be ignorant as to the content of said M-rated game, it's hardly the fault of the store or the developer. It isn't their job to do that- if an adult walks into the store, buys a game, then turns around and hands it to a minor, there isn't anything they can do about that. No rating change will prevent them from doing that. The only way to completely stop adults from fronting for minors is to completely ban the game in question- and that is a horrible, stupid, bass-ackwards awful solution to ANY problem.
You might as well ban entertainment above the G/E rated level if you want to take it THAT far. If that's what you truly want, have fun in your candy-corn sugar-coated fantasy world...just don't expect everyone else to ever move there.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175553 is a reply to message #164966] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 13:18 |
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As long as they make Red Dead Revolver 2 for the 360, like they say they are, im happy.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175596 is a reply to message #175435] |
Thu, 20 October 2005 15:58 |
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The picture is of a women sitting with a cock in her. I have seen it and that is porn.
Porn may be healthy but the age at which people have sex is getting lower and lower. If porn was less acessable then there would be less pressure for kids to have sex.
Gore can be ok but there is a point when there is too much, they crossed that line with things like doom 3. as i said in my first quote there is porn in gta.
Im in high school, im majoring in political science, i know what im talking about. The people vote for thier reps based on what thier morals and ideals are. If they make decisions that the people dont like you remove them or have a vote on it.
Sex ed does bull shit. I don't care if people know the name of every part and STD, they are still going to do it at a young age.
Stores do sell rated M games to underage kids. I know lots of people who own these games, are underage and they got it themselves.
its not about banning it, its about makign sure it goes to the right aduiance. When you have people that young playing that shit its not a good thing. Maybe when you ahve kids you will understand...
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175786 is a reply to message #175397] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 16:41 |
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| runewood wrote on Wed, 19 October 2005 19:16 |
the nudity was on the PS version, there is a picture on the wall of a women sitting with a cock in her. THAT is porn.
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Really? I did not know about that, could you tell me approximately where in the Vice City is that picture? (I have the game)
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| Terminator 101 wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 17:09 |
Question: There are nude skins for Renegade, so should Renegade be rated M too? (I wonder who knows the answer)
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Shit man I didn't know these texture maps were in Always.dat
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #175813 is a reply to message #164966] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 18:27 |
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They blurred the pic so you can't see anything. You can't see anything except a butt. I'm not going to post a google link to the picture for fear of ban. Search it if you want proof.
It's in the Mansion to the left of the desk if you are facing the ocean. You have to do the Studio missions first though.
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| Re: Thanks Rockstar [message #176010 is a reply to message #175906] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 07:41 |
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| gbull wrote on Sat, 22 October 2005 13:11 |
incognito, thats disturbing lol.
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I agree.
"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. Let history make it's own judgments."
"Maybe its not the destination that matters, but the journey."
"How many people does it take before its wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?"
"Im not here to tell you how it is going to end, Im here to tell you how it is going to begin."
"Its not the end or even the beggining of the end, mearly the end of the beggining."
"Logic is the beginning of wisdom; not the end."
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