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| Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160438] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 09:23  |
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Hydra
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Generally, rich people are rich because they have an ambitious drive to be successful, and they work hard to achieve that success.
Generally, poor people are poor because they lack that drive and work ethic; they also lead a self-destructive lifestyle that keeps them poor.
In short, rich people keep doing the things that make them rich, while poor people keep doing the things that make them poor.
The only way to turn a poor person around from poverty is to change his individual lifestyle.
Agree or disagree?
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160466 is a reply to message #160438] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 10:28  |
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It's a good thing you put down "generally", otherwise there would be some serious issues with your argument.
And because you put down generally, that's why I believe welfare is a necessity in society. How it is managed is, of course another story, but that isn't something I'm versed in or care really to argue about. The fact of the matter is, some poor people are that way out of sheer misfortune in life-- lay offs, circumstance, whatever. They have the drive to succeed, and they eventually will. But that doesn't mean they don't need a helping hand in order to get to where they need to go.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160494 is a reply to message #160438] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 11:40 |
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So does that mean they are not entitled to it? If I worked my ass off to become rich I would want my kids to have whatever I didn't spend.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160498 is a reply to message #160438] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 11:53 |
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Environment and geneology do tend to play a major role on the success of someone. If you're poor, while this may not be your fault, you have not been taught good work ethics and you generally won't succeed because you haven't been taught how to manage your finances and belongings. If you're rich, your parents are generally rich which in turn gives you jobs and opportunities that many may not have. You still have to work hard to maintain your jobs that have been more or less handed to you, though. Not to mention that you may have a good work ethic because you were taught well due to your parents successful strive to be... successful.
I think that there should be a thorough screening for those to be handed welfare. If these people have a history of being in unlucky positions, but work hard when they DO have a job, then I think the government should help out. I know I'd be happy to have my tax dollars going to those people. I also want the people who have thrown away all they had and have squandered whatever they owned to be left in the dark. I think they should be given only the necessities. A shelter from the heat and cold, bare minimum food, and decent clothing. They need nothing more than this to survive and have done nothing to even deserve this. I want the same thing to be applied to unemployment as well. Take, for instance, my cousin. I don't want her receiving any of my money. Fuck that. What has she done to deserve it? Open her legs, and shoot out 2 kids with 2 more on the way? She pretty much lives off of my aunt and uncle. She's a piece of shit and deserves nothing.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160504 is a reply to message #160498] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 13:49 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 13:53 |
Environment and geneology do tend to play a major role on the success of someone. If you're poor, while this may not be your fault, you have not been taught good work ethics and you generally won't succeed because you haven't been taught how to manage your finances and belongings. If you're rich, your parents are generally rich which in turn gives you jobs and opportunities that many may not have. You still have to work hard to maintain your jobs that have been more or less handed to you, though. Not to mention that you may have a good work ethic because you were taught well due to your parents successful strive to be... successful.
I think that there should be a thorough screening for those to be handed welfare. If these people have a history of being in unlucky positions, but work hard when they DO have a job, then I think the government should help out. I know I'd be happy to have my tax dollars going to those people. I also want the people who have thrown away all they had and have squandered whatever they owned to be left in the dark. I think they should be given only the necessities. A shelter from the heat and cold, bare minimum food, and decent clothing. They need nothing more than this to survive and have done nothing to even deserve this. I want the same thing to be applied to unemployment as well. Take, for instance, my cousin. I don't want her receiving any of my money. Fuck that. What has she done to deserve it? Open her legs, and shoot out 2 kids with 2 more on the way? She pretty much lives off of my aunt and uncle. She's a piece of shit and deserves nothing.
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You Heartless Basterd.
If you had kids and they didn't wanna work hard , you 'd put them out on there asses huh.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160557 is a reply to message #160505] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 19:57 |
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| warranto wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 13:50 |
| Crimson wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 14:40 |
So does that mean they are not entitled to it? If I worked my ass off to become rich I would want my kids to have whatever I didn't spend.
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The only real problem I have with that is you get people who become the "spoiled lottle rich kid". Ie. The stars of "Growing up Gotti", The ever enjoyable antics of Ms. Hilton, etc.
Now, I'm not saying money is the determining factor here as the Parents are also to blame. But it is an agrivating factor.
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean we should take their money and absorb it into the government coffers just because some kids are spoiled...
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160574 is a reply to message #160438] |
Fri, 17 June 2005 21:36 |
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My mother spends her day around people "in need" of welfare. She works as undercover security for stores, stopping shoplifters. She sees daily, a misuse of bridge cards. People buying beer, shrimp, and steaks with their money they make, but plop down a fucking WIC check for the essentials.
In short, welfare should be reserved for people recently unemployed and looking for a job. People that do drugs should AUTOMATICALLY be exempt from any form of welfare until they break addiction and the government should make sure they continue that as long as they have a check. They should also have to sign a form saying they will not have any more children while on welfare. They must also be looking for a job while on the check. Theres probably alot of points Im missing, but Im sure you'll let me know about them.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160681 is a reply to message #160671] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 18:22 |
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| kinghigh1 wrote on Sat, 18 June 2005 20:57 |
No need if you know you missing a shit load.
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I keep running your posts through the ebonics translator and they keep coming back the same...
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160705 is a reply to message #160483] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 20:18 |
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that's why I believe welfare is a necessity in society.
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Why does there need to be a government program when private charities and the poor individual's close friends and family could do the job?
Besides, don't I have a right to be greedy?
| SEAL wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 13:56 |
All my friends at school who have rich parents also had rich grandparents. Wealth seems to be inherited a good deal of the time. Maybe not the majority of the time, but a good portion of it.
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Inherited, huh?
My grandfather grew up dirt poor during the depression. My father grew up in a small ranch house in a lower middle-class family.
Now, he owns a million-dollar home with a quarter-of-a-million-dollar swimming pool and cabana in the back, and we're purchasing beach-front property in Panama City.
Do you have any idea how my father obtained all that wealth?
By being damn good at his job and working his ass off.
You don't know enough about reality to make such an ignorant statement as that.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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| Re: Rich People vs. Poor People [message #160710 is a reply to message #160709] |
Sat, 18 June 2005 20:56 |
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| prox wrote on Sat, 18 June 2005 23:38 |
Wealth is inherited.... If your parents are rich you're pretty much going to be rich too, that's a fact. You don't have a billion dollar father to live in a trashcan.
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No amount of money guarantees endless wealth; you can make hundreds of millions of dollars and literally squander it all.
As well, you aren't guaranteed your parents' possessions/assets if they have a will that dictates who receives what when they die (unless they don't have a will, that is).
Even then, you can still squander what you inherited and end up poor.
You aren't guaranteed wealth simply because your parents are wealthy.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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