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Push Ups [message #124571]

Mon, 06 December 2004 04:56

Renardin6
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Hey, we agree on a point. Strange that it is that point. Just for that, I start to appreciate you.

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Push Ups [message #124694]

Mon, 06 December 2004 16:09

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Either way, you still like them when they come together. Very Happy

I find it funny that you have to go there, how old are you? 13? I also find it funny you say my religion has killed people since I don't have a religion. Also to let you know if you go to a Catholic School, it does not mean you can't revoke your religion and go to another one (or believe in your own ideas). I would also like to point out that they are unable to prove if the stories in the bible were true or not. Now I'm sure that people out there have the same ideas as me and they have probably killed other people, I can not control that and I also do not believe in killing others unless defending for my life (so there is no way they think the same as me). I would just like to finish this by letting you know that the Catholics have sent out children to fight in a war because they felt the children were pure and protected by 'GOD'........Well, they all died.

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Mon, 06 December 2004 16:13

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Dude, you're a fucking idiot. I'm sorry, but there are few people that I TRULY think are idiots, and you are one of them. Congratulations. Let me show you how I think this:

I'm 18, but I figured I'd piss you off and have fun doing it.

I never said your religion killed people...moron.

I know you can revoke your religion, dumbass. I never said you couldn't.

They are able to prove it and have.

That's nice, people are idiots like you, it's not uncommon that they'd think the same.

Good for you. At least you have some resemblence of intelligence.

Why do you keep referencing Catholics? I AM NOT A CATHOLIC. I DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF CATHOLIC TEACHINGS.

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Mon, 06 December 2004 16:17

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j_ball said it well.

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Push Ups [message #124710]

Mon, 06 December 2004 17:01

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Quote:

I would just like to finish this by letting you know that the Catholics have sent out children to fight in a war because they felt the children were pure and protected by 'GOD'........Well, they all died.

So has every other organized Religion. So have Athiests. Of course, they don't do it because they feel they are protected by God. They do it as they feel they will be protected because they are on the "right" side.

I mean, how many people would willing go to fight when they know the chances of them dying are 100%?

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Mon, 06 December 2004 17:01

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Personally, I'm an athiest, but I really do want more people to believe in something-- I sure wish I could.

Why tell people that there is no God? Why attack a religion? If they do worship their gods, then they obviously want or need to, so these silly arguments will get you nowhere. Many people use religion as their hope, their reason for life. Why would you try and take that away? When it comes right down to it, religious arguments just end up being "you're wrong!" "no, you are!" contests.

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Mon, 06 December 2004 20:09

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disposableh

I also find it funny you say my religion has killed people since I don't have a religion.

Yes, you do.
The belief in nothing is still a belief.

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Tue, 07 December 2004 15:04

disposableh
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j_ball430

Dude, you're a fucking idiot. I'm sorry, but there are few people that I TRULY think are idiots, and you are one of them. Congratulations. Let me show you how I think this:

(1) I'm 18, but I figured I'd piss you off and have fun doing it.

(2) I never said your religion killed people...moron.

(3) I know you can revoke your religion, dumbass. I never said you couldn't.

(4) They are able to prove it and have.

(5) That's nice, people are idiots like you, it's not uncommon that they'd think the same.

(6) Good for you. At least you have some resemblence of intelligence.

(7) Why do you keep referencing Catholics? I AM NOT A CATHOLIC. I DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF CATHOLIC TEACHINGS.

1. Yeah ok
2. I am not aiming my entire writings to you, you are not that important. There are other people posting on this topic.
3. **Note: see #2
4. I would like to see documentation on this.
5. You are right in assuming that two idiots share common thoughts.
6. Did you just not call me an idiot? I am confused with this debauchery of illusions
7. **Note: once again look at #2

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Push Ups [message #124991]

Tue, 07 December 2004 15:07

cheesesoda
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You quote my post, you aim it at me. It's as simple as that, dumbass. You are the weakest link, goodbye. (Yes, it's old and overused, but fits perfectly here.)

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Push Ups [message #125047]

Tue, 07 December 2004 17:25

NukeIt15
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Everyone claims to be right...everyone claims to have the one and only truth, the complete picture, the coveted knowledge that no one else has...

Won't it be interesting, in the end, to find out what's REALLY going on? I mean, what would everyone do if they found out that no one had the right idea? And what if everyone, and I mean everyone, had a small piece of the truth- like a piece of a puzzle- and the real truth will never be known until all the pieces come together? What if we're ALL right?

There have been millions of religions- if not billions- since humanity came into existence. Who's to say that any one religion is any more "right" than any other? Looking at history, it is possible, even probable, that in several thousand years today's primary religions will be but minor cults practicing somewhere in the background.

Tolerance is key. Billions of humans inhabit this planet, and no two share the exact same set of beliefs. There is always a possibility, however small, that someone else may be the one who knows "the way" and not you. Follow the teachings of your religion, but don't allow yourself to fall into the trap of hating others for their beliefs.

You'll never know for sure until you die, after all.

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Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.

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Tue, 07 December 2004 17:37

Deathgod
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disposableh

I also find it funny you say my religion has killed people since I don't have a religion.

Yes, you do.
The belief in nothing is still a belief.

You are mixing issues.

He says he doesn't have a religion. That means he doesn't. Believing in nothing is not a religion per se, thus he was correct. Agnosticism is not a religion.

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Tue, 07 December 2004 18:48

Hydra
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Quote:

ag·nos·ti·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nst-szm)
n.
1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
2. The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

Quote:

re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1. A) Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. B) A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Does not agnosticism fit in with the fourth definition of religion as it is a conscientious devotion to believe that God cannot be proven nor disproven?

Is not his belief in no particular established religion an activity pursued with conscientious devotion?

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Push Ups [message #125068]

Tue, 07 December 2004 18:52

Panther
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Then take what disposableh said to mean "i dont go to the church of agnosticism, nor do i worship the god of there being no god". You're just being anal retentive as usual, Hydra.

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Push Ups [message #125099]

Tue, 07 December 2004 20:10

Javaxcx
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hydra1945

Does not agnosticism fit in with the fourth definition of religion as it is a conscientious devotion to believe that God cannot be proven nor disproven?

Careful, you're only half right there. Agnosticism, by definition is ambiguous.

"ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something."

I would argue sternly that the latter is more correct than the former in that agnosticism (as an agnostic theist myself) works with three simple words: "I don't know". It is the perfect shade of gray between the black and white. The premise of the "belief" (and I use that very loosely, because the belief is only in the possibility that one does not have a clue and not of the nature of God) is that God may or may not exist, and that is where the shades of grey (like the ideal left-right political spectrum) come in.

Remember, agnosticism is not a religion. It is a profession of ignorance. But it is one that is often open-minded to what might or might not be true. So there is (generally) no conscientious devotion to the belief of "I don't know".

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Tue, 07 December 2004 20:47

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Here is the way I think of it.

Christmas is the only Religious holiday that is also a Federal holiday. So you can think about separation of Church and state on your day off.

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Push Ups [message #125211]

Wed, 08 December 2004 13:02

disposableh
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You quote my post, you aim it at me. It's as simple as that, dumbass. You are the weakest link, goodbye. (Yes, it's old and overused, but fits perfectly here.)

Wow, you are a genius! I numerated them for you so you wouldn't have to think so hard as to what I was retorting to. Now that last post I made was aimed directly toward you to prove how big headed you are and to show that you are not as smart as you think. Then you go further to prove how smart you are knowing it was a quote from you when it shows your name. When I made that post I was saying in the previous statements I have created that they are not all directed to you, I just felt that you seemed like the biggest moron to quote (and to get your attention). I suggest that you stop posting here because every time you do you just degrade yourself even more.

I am going to await another post of you noticing that this is directed to you.....on second thought, that could take to long so:

**Note: This post is directed to you (j_ball430).

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Wed, 08 December 2004 13:26

Hydra
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Disposableh, you've caused nothing but trouble since you got here.

Piss off now, please.

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Push Ups [message #125222]

Wed, 08 December 2004 13:53

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This fucker likes to take on forum veterans, and he calls me stupid. :rolleyes:

I like how he thinks I'M degrading MYSELF. He should really reevalute his situation and realize that he's just digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper into a hole, that he can't get himself out of, because we all know that he has no chance if he can't even fight his way out of a paper bag.

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Wed, 08 December 2004 14:18

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j_ball430

This fucker likes to take on forum veterans, and he calls me stupid. :rolleyes:

Veterancy does not denote intelligence. One only has to look at this thread to see multiple instances of proof.

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Wed, 08 December 2004 15:05

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What about islam? Thats a religion that kills people, it breeds hate and the death of chirstians and jews. NOw there flame someone who actually said it.

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Wed, 08 December 2004 15:50

cheesesoda
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Deathgod

j_ball430

This fucker likes to take on forum veterans, and he calls me stupid. :rolleyes:

Veterancy does not denote intelligence. One only has to look at this thread to see multiple instances of proof.

That wasn't the point. The point is that he insists on attacking everybody, including many veterans of the forums. I didn't say it denoted intelligence.

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Wed, 08 December 2004 16:59

Deathgod
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You said taking on forum veterans was stupid. The implication is that this is because veterans are somehow better and more likely to be correct. This is far from the case, as the actions of most of the 'veterans' of this board showcase daily.

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Wed, 08 December 2004 17:12

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Veterans have more pull on the general public of the forum. Hence why taking on a veteran is stupid because you pretty much piss off all the wrong people.

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Push Ups [message #125312]

Wed, 08 December 2004 17:53

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to disposableh: All you are doing is giving atheists and agnostics a worse reputation than we already have. Please think about what you are saying before you click the post button...flaming forum vets will get you nowhere, and when arguing over subjects like these you will quickly find that you have bitten off more than you can chew. This isn't a very good way to make a first impression.

Calm down, have a mint, take a shower, get some sleep, and come back when you're willing to act mature. Remember- you are only as intelligent as the people you argue with, and as a newcomer you are waaaay behind the power curve. Don't make the whole forum hate you before your post count gets into the double-digits.

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