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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114721] |
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NukeIt15
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...and I, for one, am celebrating the fact that Congress actually did something that made sense for a change. What makes me even happier is that the paperwork for my firearms ID card should be coming through in a few weeks, meaning I'll be legally able to purchase a Constitutionally-protected firearm of my own.
This ban centered not around all weapons of a certain type(though several weapons were prohibited by the ban), but features that could be found on some models of firearms- things like flash supressors, pistol grips(for long guns such as rifles), bayonet lugs, silencers, etc. Thus, the ban did not prohibit the actual working mechanism of the firearm, but various add-ons that don't really augment the functionality(or in some cases, reduce it in favor of other areas of performance) of the weapon.
The ban also prohibited the sale of magazines that held more than a certain number of rounds(I forget whether it was 10 or 15). However, if the magazines were manufactured before 1994, they were still legal. That, and I believe importing them from other countries was legal in some way, as well.
So here's good riddance to a worthless piece of legislature that did nothing but unnecessarily limit the average, law abiding citizen's ability to keep and bear arms. And here's to the hope that my firearms ID card arrives swiftly, so that I may purchase a firearm of my own and go target shooting without parental supervision if I so choose.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114764] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 18:10  |
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NukeIt15
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To clarify for anyone who really just doesn't pay any attention at all:
This ban did NOT deal with fully automatic firearms. Those have been illegal for private citizens to own for quite some time. This ban applied to SEMI-automatic clip-fed firearms- one bullet per trigger pull.
And the notion that any one type of weapon or another will "enable" criminals has been, and always will be rediculous. Criminals don't give a flying fuck what they use to commit a crime with, be it legal or illegal- they have already demonstrated that they don't care about the law by comitting FELONIES. What's a few years worth of imprisonment for a federal firearms charge if you're already facing execution for murder 1? What makes you think a criminal will care whether they got their firearm legally or through some douche on the black market? A SMART criminal wouldn't buy a LEGAL firearm in the first place- those leave a paper trail that leads right back to the owner. All any kind of ban or "gun control" law does is limit the ability of good, law-abiding citizens to defend themselves and their families.
And it was the founding fathers of this country who plainly stated in the US Constitution: "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." If you're a citizen, you have a right as a citizen to purchase a firearm and keep it for your own defense, or in times of extreme crisis organize a militia with your fellow citizens and use that firearm to defend your rights and your way of life.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114792] |
Tue, 14 September 2004 23:01 |
NHJ BV
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Apart from whether or not banning guns is a good idea, it's not much use if one state decides to ban them when you can simply go to another state and buy one, I suppose. Besides, everyone who has one will probably keep it.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114851] |
Wed, 15 September 2004 09:56 |
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You will take that back soon enough. Once gang bangers are having m16s blazing from a car in LA.
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You know, i thought about this a lot prior to moving to orange county in California, i thought that with all the gang bangers, and the murderers that i would have to just act like that kid that got picked on in school, just face forward and shut up, never talking to anyone or arguing with anything.
then i moved here, and you know what, in my 3 years of living in southern california, i think i have heard about 1 or maybe 2 of these incidents, which is quite odd considering that back in Indiana almost nightly there was news of someone being killed by some idiotic farmer who decides to murder his family.
My girlfriend works in the coroners office, and you wanna know what the #1 killer is in southern california? Suicide of immigrants & transients.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114876] |
Wed, 15 September 2004 11:31 |
kurt421
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i live in the U.K and generaly firearms are banned.... exept things like shotguns which are hard to get licences for and mostly only farmers can get them lol.
i totaly disagree with firearms to the public even for self protection.
It would be so strange to me seeing anyone with a gun for me... thus why i wouldent like to live in america or any country where they are allowed.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114940] |
Wed, 15 September 2004 14:22 |
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NukeIt15
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Since the US was founded with the notion that the people have the right and the duty to overthrow a corrupt government(it says so very clearly in the Declaration of Independence), it makes perfect sense to give the people- average citizens- the ability to defend themselves against any threat, whether it comes from invaders, a criminal, or their own government. The second amendment to the US Constitution adds to that idea by giving citizens that right- with the only hitch that if ever the country comes upon a crisis so serious that the armed forces(this includes the National Guard) cannot or will not deal with it, the citizens who have exercised their right to bear arms have the duty to form a militia.
IMHO, NO weapon is dangerous if in the hands of a well trained, responsible citizen. Only humans have the ability to use a weapon for evil purposes; the weapon itself could just as easily be used for good. If citizens are allowed to arm themselves, arm themselves they will- and society in general will become less dangerous; criminals will not be so willing to choose their victims at random, not knowing who might be carrying a weapon has been proven to be a powerful deterrent time and time again.
The government(federal or state) oversteps its authority every single time it passes any kind of law that limits the people's right to keep and bear arms OF ANY KIND. End of story.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114989] |
Thu, 16 September 2004 03:13 |
NHJ BV
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IMHO, NO weapon is dangerous if in the hands of a well trained, responsible citizen.
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The key words being "well trained, responsible". Some sort of drivers license for guns seems a good idea to me, although I don't know if it already exists. Then again, it'll probably differ per state.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #114998] |
Thu, 16 September 2004 08:21 |
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NukeIt15
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The problem with that is, cars are not guaranteed as a right in the constitution. Firearms are.
And you already have to get fingerprinted, background checked, interviewed, and present multiple forms of ID just to get a Firearms ID card- that allows you to purchase firearms(only long guns, though, at least until you turn 21!). However, you still have to get ANOTHER background check, present MORE ID, and do lots of paperwork when you go to actually make the purchase. If that weren't enough just to exercise your right to KEEP the firearm, you have to go through EVEN MORE paperwork, EVEN MORE fingerprinting, present EVEN MORE ID, and get YET ANOTHER background check if you ever want to exercise your right to BEAR the firearm.
Since you brought up the comparison, any old schmuck can buy a car. You don't even need a license to BUY it, you just need one to use it. And even then, driving without a license(even though a car is potentially more deadly to driver and bystander than any firearm) does not carry with it anywhere near as serious of penalties as a firearms charge. And the funny thing is, most of the drivers on the road, even with licenses, can't drive for shit.
In my whole life, only once have I been within a mile of any kind of shooting(a police officer popping a bank robber), but I could rattle off a whole list of car accidents, most of them caused by drunk drivers(including, amusingly enough, the mayor and a local judge). It's a poor comparison at best; the vast majority of gun owners are far more resonsable than the vast majority of drivers.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115046] |
Thu, 16 September 2004 15:00 |
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NukeIt15
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You know, for once I agree with Nodbugger completely...
It's in the BILL OF RIGHTS, you schmuck. The whole reason those amendments were added on under a different title than every other amendment is so that the flaming idiots of future generations would never screw with those ten amendments. They are meant to be permanent, not subject to editing or adjusting, tampering, pissing on, or removal. If ANY of the first ten amendments were EVER changed or repealed, that would be grounds for the population to denounce the entire government as opressive and overthrow it. That is why they are THERE; the framers of the Constitution did not believe that enough protections were guaranteed to the citizens' rights by the original document alone.
Because every citizen of the United States of America is guaranteed by the Second Amendment the right to keep and bear arms, the government has absolutely no legal authority to in any way prevent a citizen from exercising that right. Period.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115129] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 08:25 |
kurt421
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i said it would be unpopular lol!
all i mean is that parts of the american consitution should have no brearing in modern times. i.e when it was made they wasent guns that could easily kill every person in a room in seconds.
i know the consitution cant be changed, to my knowlage it needs the concent of all states so its almost impossable to do. is that right?
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115161] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 11:40 |
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NukeIt15
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The Bill of Rights was written with the intent that it should never be changed, no matter how popular the changes may be. Never in over two centuries has a word in any of the first ten amendments been changed or edited; they should remain untouched as long as this country exists. Popularity is not an issue; amendments 1-10 are to be considered part of the original constitution and treated with the same reverance.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115163] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 11:43 |
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Rex
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NO weapon is dangerous if in the hands of a well trained, responsible citizen.
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Which doesn't exist, btw...
You can rent this signature for 2 euros/month.
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115183] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 12:45 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I'm sure none of you listened to roughly every police chief we have when they were calling for this ban to be re-instated...
It only wasn't re-instated because the NRA owns the Republicans.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| That stupid "assault weapons" ban finally expired [message #115238] |
Fri, 17 September 2004 17:25 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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So making it harder for criminals is a waste of time? And, ordinary citizens don't need assault rifles to hunt the odd duck or deer.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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